If we just lost a node because we had a flag lacking defenders, and if I see a bunch of people fighting in the road, yeah, I’m going to call people out.
People really need to get over the fact that callouts are not displays of toxicity if there is no name-calling or anything like that involved. Being blunt and being hostile are two completely different things. I fall into the former category.
Well that was just my experience; your mileage may vary.
I think I was expecting a more noticeable change in the quality of play, but it seemed pretty similar on most of the maps. There’s still dumb mistakes, people not calling incs, “controlling mid” but letting EFC’s get past/not helping FC; that sort of thing. But I think players here tend to have higher opinions of themselves, which is the only real difference I’ve noticed.
Well, callouts “can” be displays of toxicity depending on how you “call them out” as I mentioned.
When random people on the internet see other random people on the internet raging and barking orders, the likely outcome is that they will either ignore that person or rage back. You may think your comment is just “blunt” but if the general perception is that it’s hostile, it may be time to rethink.
Any time you’re “e-yelling” at people, you can say you’re not being toxic, but you’re surely not being positive. If there is some way for people to perceive your comment(s) as negative, they will.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Calling out strat or tips are ok, but I kept the quotes pg since usually they are followed up with offensive name calling
Love that clip juga.
Those poor guys need help.
Lotta my buddies were on planes to ground zero the day after 9/11 and I worry for their health.
I think eekamouse is a therapist and has discovered all of the narcissists dwell in the 30+ bracket😂
There are also people who are too sensitive regarding blunt commands, thus seeing them as toxic. I explicitly stated what callouts are in my previous post.
I’m slept all night with a smile on my face that horde are raging during an unexpected, confusing loss.
I’m sure there are but that too is subjective.
If I went into a BG and started yelling at people, turned around and defended my actions by saying “I was just trying to help, you’re all just too sensitive.” Am I absolutely right?
Bottom line, the way you present yourself says a lot. Yelling at random people and pretending you’re trying to help is bad. Toxic love to justify their toxicity with rationalizations.
I will give you examples and you tell me whether or not they are toxic:
“If you don’t defend flags, you’re going to lose.”
“Get out of mid and kill the EFC!”
“Why is no one attacking the EFC?”
“Get out of mid and help DR!” After multiple callouts from DR requesting assistance and no one responding.
“Stop leaving healers to defend flags alone!”
“I’m not defending this flag as a healer! Someone needs to defend XYZ.”
“XYZ is undefended.”
“Don’t leave XYZ undefended!”
“Flip the track or let them have it.”
“Stop following everyone and go to the ones that aren’t being attacked!”
People say everything is toxic these days and it is utterly annoying. And for the record, other than the one-off comments, I don’t see many people who are rage machines.
It’s also funny that someone in another thread said that giving callouts with a little colorful language is at least trying to be helpful. So… not everyone minds.
Practical and on paper are two separate things.
When you’re in the heat of battle, you’re not going to pre-think of how you’re typing out your comments and present them to an audience.
I pointed this out to one of my kids once. He said he just asked his sister to get out of his room. Conveniently forgetting to mention that he yelled at her.
There are always two sides to a story. Person A believes they’re being collective and helpful. Person B and C think Person A is a jerk.
Person A didn’t mean to be a jerk. It was how he made his comments. It’s just like how people misconstrue texts.
Hearsay. Regardless, that’s another opinion in another thread and likely preceded different comments, which we know, different inputs = different outputs.
I’ve said the things I listed above. Heat of the battle didn’t affect anything.
Also, if that’s the case, then people need to take comments and commands in BGs with a grain of salt.
Maybe you did. But again, that’s your story.
If you’re not getting back good feedback from your comments, look at all the factors. Timing, context at which you’re saying it and if you have a reputation.
EDIT:
They pretty much do!
People need to take the commands and callouts with a grain of salt if the “heat of the battle” supposedly affects everyone.
They don’t according to you.
Kids these days.
I complain / call out slackers from the start ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
They should but that’s just how it is. Many people on the internet and in video games like to yell at people, call people names and just be toxic.
What I mean by taking with a grain of salt is that they see someone bark a command and don’t listen.
Then no one can give callouts because someone can get offended or misconstrue someone’s comments! You can’t sugarcoat everything, especially when you’re in the middle of a battle and need to give curt demands.
And what I mean by taking it with a grain of salt is knowing the overall intent behind the command regardless of how it’s represented.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t give callouts. It’s team-based PVP afterall.
All I keep stressing is that if you’re going to do it and are perceived as a jerk about it, don’t expect to be taken seriously.
And you don’t to say “pretty please” or anything along those lines. I’m referring to the people who call things out and just rude about it. Some people are rude and don’t understand that they are.
Being rude will likely make people ignore you. But that’s not news.
I honestly don’t know how else to explain it to you, so I guess we will just have to see things differently.
No, I get what you’re saying. I really do. It may be a agree to disagree thing.
Some people are just “a certain way” and either don’t know it or do and do not care.
You may think someone is being a jerk when they’re not. People need to take things with a grain of salt. Instead of assuming the worst all the time.