Why all of the hate for WoD?

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This expansion seems to get trashed everywhere you turn. Especially whenever there’s an expansion rating list: WoD is near, if not at the bottom.

I’ve returned for 4-5 months since Pandaria; never having played WoD (but really wanted to; PC at the time couldn’t handle it, lol), and despite having a max level character with access to Legion and BFA, I’ve spent the majority of my time in Draenor with this character. So why all the hate?

The environments are awesome; I love all the characters. This is the biggest pull. Other than the Undead, the Orc and Demon portion of Warcraft III was my favorite. They got all the boys lined up, in all their bad— glory. The Garrison idea is really cool; there’s plenty of quests and things to do. I never run out of stuff, and don’t even bother with the mission recruit tables. You even get 6 mounts from the stable training! The reputation grind is the same as usual, but it feels good to get that 150,000 apex crystal mount, and it looks sweet. It seems like people just want everything handed to them, but there’s no reward in that. Once you finally get it, there’s a feeling of accomplishment and relief.

A lot of aspects I wished were in other MMO’s are present in WoW, and especially Draenor. The treasure chests are really cool. I had no idea these even existed until I did research on pathfinder, which I haven’t even unlocked flying yet. It feels like exploration is lacking in the other regions, and I wish there was more of that Bethesda / Rockstar vibe in that regard.

I remember playing Ultima Online long ago, and thinking how cool it would have been if there were factions with reputation points and rewards… a purpose, if you will. And that’s all here! Not specified to Draenor, of course, but I still love the idea. Especially the mount and pet rewards. Which are my favorite part of this game.

The Tanaan Jungle is rad. I like the rare elite spawning idea, and it just feels like s— is really going down here. This is the war area, with elites and deadly mobs everywhere. Kind of like Doom meets Warcraft. You definitely get rewarded for them as well. The Hellfire Citadel in here is also fun. Fishing and Leatherworking are fine, with quests behind them, and you can even get a mount from both.

Every time I log in, I find myself going back to Draenor, and actually wishing there was more to do and that it would never end. But what there is, is fine. Even when I think it’s over, there’s another garrison campaign, or all the rares and elites, or the treasure chests I just found out about, or mounts to get. Just roaming around with all the bad— orcs is amazing in itself.

Was there not enough content to last its entire cycle? Maybe someone can enlighten me.

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That was due to their boneheaded war on flight, mostly. Also it was a raid or die expansion. I still use the garrison daily (well, almost daily I haven’t logged in for a while).

Also the selfie patch.

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I feel the main reason why alot of people either Dislike or Hate WOd was due to the lack of content. To my knowledge its the only expansions with the least amount of content.

WOD only had a total of 3 raids if you include HIghmaul. but it had least 1 scrapped raid, and a scrapped zone, plus we were suppose to be able to put our garrison in a zone we wanted it in but that got scrapped and i saw a Video where there was talk of a LVL 4 Garrison.

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There’s so damn much to do in WoD though lol

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The expansion launched with a single daily quest and Patch 6.1 was an extremely disappointing major patch that barely added anything to do. Then there were other boneheaded moves like their war on flight and continually lying about when it would become available. And that was all after the longest content drought with us spending over a year in Siege of Orgrimmar.

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it was not a Raid or Die Expansion, there was doing the Dungoens dealing with your garrison, doing old content to either get Loremaster or work on past expansions rep.

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I dint say WOD ddnt have stuf fto do, just that it had Content Cut.

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WoD is actually an expansion that shines when it isn’t current content, because what little concrete, expansion-specific content it offered during its lifetime was actually really great. The raids were top notch, and the dungeons were very good (with some minor exceptions), though their life span was cut very short early on due to gear and rewards being fairly irrelevant quickly. The leveling experience was also really great, and Draenor had great aesthetics and music.

The problem was that once you were at the level cap, there wasn’t much to do besides logging in to clear raids, and the world was pretty empty with no compelling reason to do anything in it due to Garrisons being so self-sufficient.

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That right there was the problem. The first few months were super busy, there was lots to do. But once you unlocked everything there was suddenly nothing to do. And the main two patches didn’t have much to add on to that.

Towards the second half of WoD there wa quite literally nothing to do for well over a full year. You’d log on to your garrison, maybe check missions, then log off. The lack of any end game outside of raiding was one WoD’s biggest drawbacks.

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You might be right, I dunno. I left in January of 2015 and didn’t come back until Legion launched. Funny thing is, I already had most of pathfinder accomplished and my Garrison was already maxed out.

The Garrison is the only part I go to since I unlocked pathfinder. Ashran was ok, though most people seemed to hate it, it was one of the things I liked about it. I also hated the way Spriest played so leaving wasn’t much of a loss for me.

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There was also the limitations on crafting that made a lot of people mad.

For example, you can process and mat as much raw material as you can currently. Was like for all expansions but WoD. There you had to give a certain amount to an NPC who processed the mat for you. It’s made worst that your limited to how much you can give and do it once per day.

So I can be sitting on 1000 pieces of ore and only be allowed to give 20 per day to get 10 bars of ore.

Made crafting anything there a pain.

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WoD was a really great expansion for leveling a few characters. The story was awesome and had a quite a few things going for it. It lasted too long for the content it had, there was just not enough oomph for the long haul. If Legion had come out 6 or 8 months earlier than it did it would have been right up there on peoples scales.

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I’d take that over the dumpster fire professions are now in BfA. I remember people being angry about only being able to equip three pieces of crafted gear. I still make a decent amount of gold from hexweave bags that are basically on auto pilot.

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Warlords was the last great PvP expansion for gear, then it turned into RNG loot - Ashran was great

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Selfie Camera major patch.

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For me personally it was the first expansion where the WoW magic wore off. The first patch hasn’t ended yet, and I already got tired of the expansion. My guess it was because there was a lot of routine in maintaining garrison that it sucked any energy to play more, even though at first I thought it was the best system ever.

Then there was the infamous 6.1 patch with solely Twitter integration. In the expansion where there was already nothing to do for the most part besides raiding and PvP.

Even PvP died down a little. They broke oQueue addon from MoP which used to have a nice little PvP community around it. A lot of premades stopped running, except Ashran. RBGs were very casual friendly in MoP, became abandoned in WoD for some reason.

But there were good things too. Some class design was still good on the heels from MoP. PvP vendors were still around. But again all these systems were taken as granted at the time, so they didn’t help the impression much.

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The intro and leveling in Warlords was fantastic. The endgame sucked. So you had a huge difference between the initial expectations and the end product.

Then there was the garrisons. Good concept, but like Blizzard often does, they take a great idea and go way too far with it. The garrisons became 75% of the whole game when all we really wanted was a place to hang some banners and put our stuff.

Now when we ask for player housing they point to the garrisons and say it failed.

Oh, and that whole “every path to another zone is some silly puzzle” thing. Minor, but another example of an interesting idea taken to extremes until it ceased to be a challenge and just became an annoyance.

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The content dried up, people were sick of garrosh after half of wrath, cata, and mists all centered around him to an extent.

It changed the storytelling format

And the content came as a trickle, lots of stuff people wanted to know about got cut. Ogres for example were supposed to have a whole continent, something I’d actually like to go see some day… maybe even as an allied race ( rexxar becomes chief?? Allied race comfirminized!! Tell pyromancer he’ll make a video!)

It seemed like the whole thing was a gamble to retain fans but they put too much into production value and put out really scarce, high budget content as opposed to an abundance of playable interesting content with contrasting higher quality areas to emphasize importance, the way older xpacks did. So everything was super high budget and you’d exhaust anything that wasn’t a rep grind really quick.

I actually like dreanor a lot, but I do feel like i’d rather see the world built wider instead of taller in general across all of WoW. For example we have all this stuff built on top of previous xpacks, it’s super deep but you can’t experience any of it remotely as intended. You can level-lock as an under talented toon and do old raids or you can be high level and do the ‘current’ content for the ten thousandth time in a row, ignoring the dozens of dungeons and raids that are just all grey mobs dropping mounts and transmogs at this point.

I’m getting off topic but yeah, people got bored. Enjoy the journey but imagine being stuck there for over a year with no new content

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because WoD was really bad. there were some things that were good, but were overshadowed at the time with all the bad. namely the no content… once you leveled up the first time and got your garrison how you wanted, it pretty much ended there… hell the OP here has more content than 6.1…

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I’d like to see Draenor Pre-Legion/Gul’Dan, like what life was like for the scattered Orc tribes and their struggles against the Ogres and Gronns