If you say so…
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How was it cowardly? I don’t get that. Dude put his hoof down.
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Cairne put his hoof down and challenged Garrosh 1 on 1.
Baine went behind Sylvanas’ back, killed Horde NPCs and helped the Alliance. Then sat down and said “go ahead and punish me.”
This was after he went to Talanji and said “Hey! I know your Father’s body is still warm but have you maybe thought about talking to the Alliance?”
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Considering his father died of treachery without Sylvanas being involved, of course he didn’t challenge Sylvanas 1v1. That would be stupid honor. Everyone, to the end, knew that challenging Sylvanas was suicide. It wasn’t doing the right thing. It would have accomplished nothing at all.
What Baine did at least righted one wrong after a long period in which the Horde just stood by and let Sylvanas genocide and torture whoever she pleased because it was a bad time to challenge her.
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He never challenged her, bad time or otherwise.
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The irony that he did more to probably save the Horde by turning Derek into an Olive Branch to get Jaina on the “Peacenik” side of things is not lost on me. Especially since its VERY clear like all her tactics in BfA, Sylvie intended to use Proudmoore as a means to keep the war escalated and prolongued to augment the death toll as much as possible. She was not doing it for the Horde, we were meant to die just as much as the Alliance was with that stunt.
Also, the only conceivable way Baine could have beaten Sylvanas in a Mag’kora (assuming she didn’t cheat, which she would if she thought for a moment she might lose) … is if he got Fearbreaker back from Anduin. Its a Light Based weapon that in the right hands self-regenerates its users wounds, so in the hands ofa physical monster like Baine … he might stand a chance. Well, he “might” have if she weren’t Death Juicing on Souls.
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The point was never to beat Sylvanas. Saurfang knew he couldn’t but he challenged her anyway.
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Of course.
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Saurfang played the Movie Durotar card and was hoping he could trigger her enough to crack that mask she’s always kept up around her bulwark. He also did it far later in the events of the story, when a significant amount of the Horde and its leadership were ready to turn on her. Baine would likely have less of a chance succeeding at the first, and he was arrested and tortured before he could have attempted to do the second with a reasonable chance of success.
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Does anyone actually believe it would have been a good narrative and character arc choice for Baine to die in exactly the same way as his dad, having accomplished nothing? Other than people who really, really want him dead, I guess.
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Nothing good was coming out of BfA regardless. At this point, however, I’d rather not have an Anduin sycophant as a Horde Counsel member.
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And I’d rather not have Horde loving Anduin as leader of the Alliance forcing us to just look the other way from those involved in Teldrassil, Sylvanas wasn’t alone, alas here we are.
Blizzard wrote BfA like complete dogcrap and now we all have to suffer. Faction pride my hairy asscrack.
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If you’re going by what makes sense given BFA’s bizarre logic, and story twists that would logically be taken by the characters, then an Anduin-sycophant is exactly what the Horde would want because Anduin has had the best interests of the Horde at heart more than two of the past three Warchiefs, and presumably even wants them to remain independent
I don’t think we want to go down that road, though
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Exactly this. She did that because she knew that he would NEVER have agreed that her plan. She needed him out of the way.
How is it that everyone knew fighting her was suicide. I don’t understand how that conclusion just came about. Even Thrall told Saurfang he couldn’t win. It’s not as if they knew she was on jailor juice and they’ve all surely dealt with magic welders before.
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Because she’d cheat in a way that would be super hard to prove if she even for a moment thought she could lose; and the Horde is oversaturated with Warriors, who are only good at dying nobly in current Warcraft lore. If you don’t have magic, you’re essentially cannon fodder. You’re a joke.
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Of course he wouldn’t agree with it. But he wouldn’t have done anything to stop it either.
At first because they assumed she’d cheat. Later on, because, well. Most of the Horde ‘rebels’ were low-tier warriors and she was an incredibly powerful banshee that murdered a dozen soldiers at once with a screaming smoke-bomb and blew up her own city to try to catch up the Alliance.
The mak’gora with Cairne hung over the Horde a lot, you could tell, though they didn’t talk about it much for some reason. They didn’t want to waste anyone’s life.
Ok. That makes sense. I didn’t think of it like that.
For the sake of his people Baine would have been smart enough not to act directly against her. He would more than likely would have alerted Malfurion through Hammul. The war was pointless with what was going on with Azeroth.
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Read: Gone to the Alliance.
This is EXACTLY what his character would do.
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Yeah, why not? The Horde at the time had gone completely insane.
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