I think baine is 100% justified in not trusting the centaur, and they should’ve left it at that
His dialogue would have made more sense during the initial/very first contact with the Marukkai, but since this takes place after we’ve already established contact and earned their trust and are vouched for by the green dragojs, he’s just coming off as idiotic.
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Im wary of all Horde in general.
But yea I feel bad for the waste of Space they call “Bane”
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Blizzard heard the Loktar Ogar Belf/Vulpera mains saying Baine was too soft, etc. So they made him act like a Orc peon.
Though one can’t expect him to trust the Centaurs anyway.
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It’s because up until now, Baine wasn’t ever really being written as his own character. He only existed to be an accessory to Anduin and for the alliance’s “benefit” whenever he was used.
I think the reality is that it’s not that this story is nonsensical for Baine. It’s that Baine himself is a nonsensical character such that doing ANYTHING with him that’s not being a robotic “let’s make peace” stereotype is going to look off.
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I didn’t really see it as too terribly out of character.
There’s a lot of comparison between the centaur and grimtotem/garrosh/alliance etc. But I don’t think you can compare those things at all.
The Grimtotem were other Tauren, and were enemies. They conspired to kill Baine’s father and destroy his legacy. But this is a power struggle, it’s Tauren fighting Tauren.
Garrosh was one man. A man who wronged Baine, and a man who Baine deeply hated. But at the end of the day it is a conflict with a clear focus on garrosh and what he stood for.
The alliance taurajo thing was a war crime. Baine knew these things happened in war. Not to say he should forgive, or that he should accept it, but it is just one more atrocity in a sea of atrocities.
In Tauren history centaur are not enemies in a war, they’re not one leader who wronged them, and they’re not a foe that the Tauren fight with over land or resources. To them, centaur aren’t an enemy whose motives you can rationalize… THEY’RE THE BOOGEYMAN.
The centaur relentlessly chased and hunted the Tauren to the brink of extinction. Everything that is in modern Tauren history was borne out of their flight from marauding centaurs slaughtering them on sight. They are in mulgore on TB because it was finally somewhere they could feel safe. They joined the horde for safety. Tauren of Baine’s generation and before lived in fear of the evil centaur monsters that would descend on them while they slept.
Baine is a softie, so of course we make friends in the end instead, but it took some melodrama to overcome the fact that all he’s ever known of the centaur is to fear and hate them.
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I was really hoping Rexxar was going to be in Ohn’ahran Plains.
The zone in a way seems connected to Desolace, Feralas and Stonetalon Mountains vibes with the Centaur. Idk sometimes it does feel that people writing now have no knowledge of where we first encountered some of the characters.
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I haven’t done the quest yet myself, but it sounds like they are setting him up to be the new “Horde leader bad.” Which is a tragedy after all he has done to broker peace. I hate the faction war with a passion so I hope this isn’t an attempt to make Baine into an instigator.
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Does it matter? The writing for this game has been absolute canine feces since WoD. Even Legion with it’s edgy “let’s rewrite originally benevolent creatures into tyrannical ends-justify-the-means douche nozzles” Argus storyline. Illidan is already a fan favorite. We didn’t need to make him super extra mega cool by having him disintegrate a Naru. It’s like these writers hate religion or something.
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Well, both the Champion and Green Dragonflight says these are good centaurs but Baine Derphoof doesn’t listen to beings that have either helped him multiple times or are extremely power and good dragons.
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Almost like that’s an irrational character flaw and growing past it is the focal point of the storyline.
People who are angry or who have suffered trauma don’t always behave fairly or rationally.
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I was hoping that the end result of the quest was going to be the elite centaur area being deleted from the map.
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I mean, by this logic… half the Horde should be murdering each other right? Undead ravaged Silvermoon under the LK yet the Blood Elves welcomed the Forsaken into the Horde, Trolls hate Thalassians because of land feuds, Tauren don’t like Goblins cause of deforestation and stuff because Tauren are all about nature, after Garrosh and the Orcs went full totalitarian NOBODY should like the Orcs, etc…
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Baine has just become a meme character… his whole identity is just bad writing or him being useless and forgotten, and its pretty funny.
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The problem is Baine is selective about his “trauma.” Humans caused his people massive trauma but he blindly trusts certain groups of them.
If he can understand that not all humans are bad then it’s not a stretch to assume that not all centaurs are bad, especially when the Champion and Green Dragonflight vouch for them and these centaurs didn’t do anything to his people.
I would understand his reaction if he had to interact with the centaur from Desolace.
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Yeah. Irrational feelings tend to be selective and irrational.
Everyone in this thread is correct. It is irrational. It is a bad conclusion for him to reach. It is inconsistent. But that doesn’t mean that the writing is bad. Human beings (or Tauren beings as the case may be) are not perfectly logical robots who make the same choices in all circumstances. I’m sure you know plenty of people in your life who have been inconsistent on certain topics.
The entire point of the storyline is, as everyone is this thread is pointing out, that Baine is wrong to behave this way and it leads to ugly consequences. That’s why the end of the storyline is Baine starting on the path to move past it. Characters in a story are allowed to be imperfect, they can’t grow otherwise.
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It is bad writing because they have always written Baine as the diplomat and the peace talker. For him to have selective rage is out of character.
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Let me guess, you can do better, someone sucks at their job etc etc etc.
EDIT:sarcasm nothing more /sry
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People don’t always live up to the ideals they espouse. Sometimes they give in to their baser feelings and betray those ideals.
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I could.
Boulder falls off cliff and kills Baine
Tovi is now the most popular writer in WoW
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