until we pin down what “casual” actually mean we will keep having this discussions. Problem is there are alot of people who just can’t be really honest about themselves. So many pretend casuals who think they deserve to get what people who spend time to actually play the game. The real casual dont care. As long as they can kill stuff and not get 1 shot on the prefer game they want to play they’re ok. They dont need those mythic level gear because they know it’s an extra commitment that they can’t really commit on.
WTG with the achievement shaming, just to bolster your elitist argument!
Typical.
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Yeah, no kidding. It feels like it’s way more nebulous of a term these days where people can’t make up their mind on if it’s ‘person I think is bad’ or ‘person who plays the game a couple hours a day’.
The way I was approaching my last post was specifically talking about a Preach video where he went on and on about how everything good in this game should be locked behind raiding. At the time, LFR was in a pretty god awful place, but thesis in the videos he put out were how it was terrible players weren’t doing every raid in the expansion to get up to current content, because it ““robbed them of a journey”” and there were not incentives to jumping to later difficulties.
Personally, I’m fine with a few piece of gear being of higher than normal quality if it’s offered at the end of a significant time investment. It’s why I liked valor badge gear, or “welfare gear” so much back in Wrath. Kill a boss? Didn’t et the loot? Here’s a consolation prize so you might get an upgrade.
And yet even players felt that was too much, when really, a full set of epics with valor gear wasn’t just forked over. It took time to accumulate.
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Specific to how long it takes or doesn’t take to get a character (presumably a fresh character) from “zero to raid hero” status is a semi pointless argument. It’s subjective to the skill, desire of how or what the player wants to attain and the time they want to put into it.
This is an age old debate since vanilla people have said “dude it only takes x time to attain y “ like it’s a static value that’s written in a text book.
You can’t judge everything on you and apply it that standard to everyone else. Maybe you are awesome at your class , maybe you only do mythic raids so you are not getting how other players with less skill struggle to gear as fast. Maybe you simply have the desire to gear any someone else is like “no I just can’t stand that content I’ll just do this instead….”
And on and on…
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Never played a caster in my life.
A friend challeneged us to play something we have never touched before for dragonflight. I knew nothing about mage or arcane a month ago.
I run normal raid and pug a few heroic bosses. I mostly run m+ and do it pugging as a dps.
Barely above LFR level of effort.
Thieves, mass murderers, and the criminally insane.
This game has quests no one in their right mind or possess a working moral compass would do.
Cool. But it still doesn’t change my prior comment. You are you. Another player is another player.
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I suspect many don’t want to acknowledge that.
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What is Gaben?
Game is more accessible now than ever. I played from BC to cata and have played modern wow since legion and for the first time ever in * gasp * bfa, I went from 1 alt the entire time to 9 max lvl alts. By the end of both bfa and SL I’ve had 4 of them caught up and ready to do endgame. During that time I also got promoted to a job that sometimes requires 70+ hours of my time in a week and had a kid!
Sure not everyone is the same, but they never were. In wrath I played with everyone from unemployed stoners to college professors, everyone made time for the awful grinds back then. I think culturally we’ve just changed as a whole over the years. Whether that’s good or bad I don’t really have an opinion on, but it’s objectively true that the game is more accessible now, whether or not it’s enough.
Although there’s various things Kennie has stated I disagree with (Quests not being relevant content) they’re atleast providing examples and substance to their statements.
You’re just expressing that you disagree without much examples or constructive criticism attached …
Outside of raiding and group content, what was added in the latest patch of Shadowlands for players who don’t Raid or run M+?
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Nothing, they wanted to prep everyone for Dragontales.
Hope you guys like dailies and fill the bar tasks for months on end!
You can usually get an idea of what audience they are targeting by the design of the marketing. If it’s younger looking characters all goofy and smiling it’s probably kids and young adults. This usually taps into a big market worth billions and billions.
Hearthstone for example has been targeting children and young adults it seems for quite awhile. Overwatch probably teens and young adults from the looks of it.
at the end of season 3 I gathered my groups available toon and did a randomizer to the toon and spec to play and did a +15 on them. It was so funny, We had 1 who never tank in his life as a warr tank and a undergeared disc healer who never healed. A arcane mage, enh shammy and a arms warrior
It was so funny but fun
meme name of Gabe Newell, one of the founders of Valve
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13-20 year olds who are very easily offended. 
Yikes. I started playing wow brand new in shadowlands and pugged all my +20s before 9.1.
Lot of long time casuals vastly overestimate the difficulty of WoW.
Log in. Do the Zereth Mortis campaign. Fly around and collect flux to craft a 2 set at least. Done. Ready to start gearing in low level keys or low rated arena.
This is so false it isn’t even funny. Sounds like you and anyone else who thinks WoW caters more to people who can spend a lot more time in game haven’t played any other mmos lately.
WoW is by far the most casual friendly mmo on the market. It always cracks me up how people think WoW caters to the hard core players.
You can easily raid and clear Heroic and Mythic in a 1-2 night a week raiding guild only raiding 2-3 hrs per raid. Not only that, it is so easy to keep up on the rep/dailies. Dailies for quite awhile now take maybe 15-20 mins to do them all in each new zone that opens etc.
You can even do m+15 and higher being a very casual player. Catch up mechanics happen all the time as well.
The problem is, people are lazy and want everything handed to them. So if they can’t get Heroic/Mythic raiding type ilvl gear doing a World Quest that takes 3 mins then this game is for the hard core according to them.
If you can only play 3-4 hours a week then MMOs in general aren’t for you. Anyone who keeps crying and saying WoW doesn’t cater to the casual is delusional. You just have to actually put a little effort into it instead of expecting everything handed to you.
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