Who is excited to get the covid vaccine?

Shouldn’t have. Vaccinated are still spreading it and probably don’t know it.

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Meaning Covid deaths were inflated. Those who died last year were counted as Covid whether or not that’s why they died.

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I saw in a news report that the government was threatening mandatory vaccinations, the thought was maybe someone less healthy wouldn’t have to take it if I did.

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Forcing everyone to get vaccination is pathway to dictatorship. I have a coworker who she expecting her first child within few months. She doesn’t wanna take the vaccine because she doesn’t want anything happen to her unborn child. So are they going force her to get a vaccine and have risk effects on her child?

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Something to talk with her doctor who will likely be taking that question very seriously.

See that problem here that most people on here don’t understand. you might take the vaccine but you get some really bad side effect and your doctor tells you not to get your 2nd dose. In French, you can go to prison if you don’t take the vaccine. Think about going to prison for not taking the vaccine because it might be a health risk for you. That’s scary stuff right there and Australia had deploy their military to enforce Covid lockdown. I had a feeling lockdowns are coming and you get your supply ready.

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This is my fear for the US as well. I get they might want to emergency authorize but mRNA tech is still relatively new tech from a regulatory perspective and should have been rolled out rather than given in mass vaccination programs and mandating use of an unapproved drug seems Orwellian.

I don’t think we’ll see any exceptional problems at this point, mRNA vaccines have been around for some time and variants have been characterized in clinical trials using different vaccines.
~https://www.oligotherapeutics.org/facts-about-mrna-vaccines-and-the-decades-of-research-that-went-into-creating-them/

We will need final scientific review before we can make a safe and effective claim but data is being generated and we have 1 completed application so we should be close to approval, it just seems prudent to tell people about potential concerns and allow them to make educated decisions for their own health at a minimum until they get final approval.

Yep, utterly ridiculous.

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An employer can set the requirements for employment any way they want except in the case where the requirement violates state law or constitutional rights. Unless state law forbids it, any employer can require masks, and/or vaccinations as a condition of employment. This is one of the main things that separates a capitalist country like the US from a socialist country where the government could tell employers what conditions of employment to set.

The federal government is an employer and set the requirements for their employees, for admission to federal facilities, and in some cases for interstate transport. If the federal government tried to mandate vaccinations for anyone not covered by the above it would go all the way to the Supreme Court, and they would lose.

It’s the government mandating vaccination with an unapproved vaccine even if it is their employees, it’s legal because they made it legal and I’d argue a bad precedent. At this point it’s probably OK but we took a risk and there is still some risk. Look at it this way, the body responsible for drug safety and efficacy won’t sign off on the vaccine because they needed all the data to support marketing with review and audit, they didn’t have a justification to disallow a government motion to release is not the same thing as their releasing it to the public.

This is the FDA response to the EUA. If you note they’re saying what I’m saying.
~https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

"FDA must ensure that recipients of the vaccine under an EUA are informed, to the extent practicable given the applicable circumstances, that FDA has authorized the emergency use of the vaccine, of the known and potential benefits and risks, the extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown, that they have the option to accept or refuse the vaccine, and of any available alternatives to the product. "

Mandatory vaccinations seem prohibited for EUA drugs, covid 19 vaccines in particular. There’s some good explanations of the process here as well.

No it’s not okay to mandate this at all. Medical choices are up to each individual.

That is correct, government can not mandate them.

Nobody can make you take any medicine; but any employer can refuse to employ you for any reason any time with the exception of reasons that have been found by the courts to violate the equal protection guarantee. You can’t be forced to be vaccinated, they can’t be forced give you a job if you aren’t vaccinated.

I know of an employer who will terminate anyone found to smoke tobacco, at work at home or anywhere any time, I worked at a company who terminated some employees for telling unacceptable jokes in a bar off site, not in a company sponsored anything.

If your company decides to refuse to hire anyone with tattoos, they can do that. The government can’t do any of those things, for some of them not even to their own workers, but private employers can, that is simply part of capitalism.

Capitalism is not a thing in the Constitution, so governments are free to impose any socialist programs they think necessary, but they still can’t violate right of expression, right of association, … or anything else that violates rights guaranteed under the Constitution. Like mandating vaccinations.

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There will be lawsuits, probably unsuccessful.

Yep I have np leaving a company who enforces this idiocy.

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Disney and Wal Mart have some requirements already. Sorry to edit, it didn’t sound right after I said it. Most restrictions are vaccinate or get rewgularly tested. A friend is a teacher and their mandate was be vaccinated or wear a mask all day.

This is America, that’s all but guaranteed.

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Yeah, evil won sometime in the early 1980s. I blame disco.

We already have to wear a mask at the hospital. Even the vaccinated people.

I meant Disney and Wally World both have requirements for certain positions to be vaccinated.
~https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/business/covid-vaccine-mandates-rto.html