Who did Sylvannas want to assassinate?

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TL:DR AT THE BOTTOM.

Hi I’m actually an undead, but it wont let me post. So here I’m on a blood elf.
Anyways, I’ve been wanting to post my experience and thoughts through BFA and the recent cinematic.

I’m going to try to be as neutral as possible, but let’s just start off with saying “yes, I support sylvannas”. So the die hard saurfang fans can just tune me out.

Throughout the warcampaign I’ve taken notice to what we are actually doing for each quest. And we all know the previous actions from the battle for L. and the burning of T. That’s a whole new discussion.

But so far, in the quests for helping Baine and helping saurfange… You kill a LOT of horde NPCs.

You, the player character - KILLS a lot of HORDE units just literally doing their job. During the boat quest with Baine some undead you fight on the ship you knock them out. But a lot of them you just mindlessly kill. They are simply doing their jobs. I wanted to bring that up because people who are complaining about what’s happening with people being killed, well you, the player, are killing a bunch of your own people. And the main reason is helping people who have “broken the rules”.

There is a different moral and code system in WoW than real life obviously. In doing these quests we are all now guilty of killing our own people. Really for no reason. I don’t see Sylvannas actions as being a tyrant. The horde still has their freedoms, she’s not replaced guards in cities, she’s not excluded any races, she is only punishing people interfering with her “methods” of winning. Whatever those and her secrets may be.

I say secrets because people don’t think Sylvannas is clever and is withholding plots. Play Wc3 and you’ll understand she can be quite clever in her ploys.

Which brings me to the point of the topic. Who did she want to assassinate in the cinematic? Was it Saurfang? Was it really Thrall? Were those even her soldiers? Can that be confirmed?

What I saw was their initial target was Saurfang. I don’t believe for a second that he “Followed” the rogues to thrall. I DO believe that in precaution if Saurfang tried to will Thrall against her then Thrall could be a threat and she sent assassins to intercept Saurfang if that be the case.

Saurfang calling out that he “Followed” them is pretty stupid. Why? What are Sylvannas’ motives for offing thrall in his peace?

Is he a threat to her rule? No not really, if he was she could have, at ANY time, sent assassins for him. She only sends them now that Saufang is seeking Thrall. Which makes him a threat.

In the cinematic you see ASSASSINS (I say this loudly because assassins go for their target) initially go after saurfang. Thrall intercepts one with sand/dirt and becomes a threat to their goal - assassinating Saurfang.

I don’t see Sylvannas ideally wanting to kill thrall. Why would she. He literally accepted her into the Horde, Thrall was a good thing to her.

I really don’t enjoy saurfang. He is emotionally unstable and ruled through his perception of “honor”. And what he is doing is legitimate betrayal. Is betrayel in his code of Honor?

TL:DR
The most HONORABLE orc, hands down, has always been Nazgrim. That is true honor and dedication. Saurfang is making me not like how orc character development is going.

I did not spellcheck this whatsoever because I doubt you will read it all.

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I easily agree with many of your points that have you have made.

I absolutely agree that Saurfang’s character is a joke, and I lost all respect for him. His idea of what “honor” is not only confusing, but extremely toxic for the horde.

I don’t play as an Orc, but he’s clearly not acting like a true Orc. He’s being a pathetic, beaten down punk that didn’t get his way and instead of being useful, and serving the Horde in a positive outlook, he’s sad and upset and separating the Horde, making everyone Pick Sides…

Saurfang has become a special little snowflake. Not very Orcish if you ask me… Not to be political, but he’s acting like a democrat when trump won, and refusing to be cooperative. Every leader deserves a fair chance at leadership, and he’s not giving that to Sylvannas.

Instead, he’s crying about the changes that are happening in and to the Horde. Well guess what, the Horde is NOT the same Horde as it was during WC1, WC2, WC3 and early WoW. It’s no longer Orcs Taurens, and Trolls. Orcs are now the minority in the Horde, Bloodelves are pratically what I think of when I talk about the Horde, and with how popular they’ve become. There are many more races within the horde now, however they DO NOT share the same Idea’s, ambition’s, and goals as an orc.

Saurfang no longer know’s what Honor is, or atleast “Orcish Honor” because when I think of an orc and Honor, You said it OP, I think of Nazgrim, If you want to see a True Orc with Honor, and love’s the horde, and would do anything for the Warchief, It’s Nazgrim.

And for those who sided with Saurfang because you think he has Honor, Ask yourself, Do YOU have Honor? Have you ever ganked a Low level and made his life a living hell? Have you ever killed an innocent NPC that’s just doing his job? Have you ever killed Gamon? No Player Character in wow has “lorewise” Honor. Because US gamers control our characters and we do stuff that We wouldn’t want to have been done upon ourselves.

Honestly, it’s a god damn war, It’s always been the Horde against The Alliance, Who cares if one Faction attacks the other, We’re enemies, wtf? This is Warcraft not Peacecraft? Who cares about the damn tree burning, I’ve seen so many horde players complain about the alliance making a pvp raid and killing everyone during Invasions. The Whole point of the game is to defeat the opposing force while stopping super villains from destroying the planet. There will never be peace, so as long as the two factions exist there will always be bloodbath and war. But right now, Saurfang and his lapdogs are separating the Horde, killing those who are just doing what they were told as soldiers, and it’s weakening us, and it’s giving the Alliance an advantage.

I’m Sorry but Saurfang is a cancer, and the same crap with baine, helping the alliance, In ww1 If you were even thought of a traitor you were gun down from a firing squad, even if you didn’t go over the trench, that was enough for cowardness and treason. Sylvannas is leading the Horde down the Path of the Alliance’s defeat, and THEN whatever happens once they’re gone, We’ll confront Sylvannas if there’s any corruption to deal with there.

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You really think sylvanas would assassinate saurfang in front of thrall and leave thrall alive? LOL. If sylvanas killed saurfang and didn’t kill thrall he would still most likely come to orgrimmar to see what the hell is up and why saurfang got assassinated and then he would find out why.

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I mean, why not? Thrall doesn’t know the whole conflict between the Horde. Thrall wasn’t there to see saurfang walk away from us and divide the horde against one another. He’s a traitor, he’s causing conflicts because of his personal beliefs. He’s a threat to the horde.

Killing him in front of thrall would mean many things but most importantly leaving thrall to ask why. Sylvanas probally doesnt want to kill thrall because then she would have to spill more of the hordes blood, and im sure she doesn’t want to do that inorder to keep the horde united. And on top of that, many of the horde cherish thrall, if she did intent to kill him, she would instantly lose all of her support. So once saurfang is dealt with, the horde would not have to worry about any more conspiracy and traitors.

Addtionally, those assassins were just following orders. And we dont even know for sure what their mission was. Blizzard is just showing us what they want us to think we see. And we don’t even know if saurfang was lying or not that he’s been tracking them looking for thrall… You tell me if a warrior has the ability to track. Think about it… he’s a warrior, not a hunter… a warrior has the ability to track rogues…?, even named npc’s have to stick to their class… clearly he’s full of himself and was just saying that to force thrall to take his side… wouldn’t you lie to get people on your side if You’re alone and desperate?

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Two assassins, two orcs.

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It’s saurfang… you dont send 1 soldier to take on someone like him alone… thats like saying its arthas, send 1 champion to stop him… think about, we didnt send 1 troop to assassin osama…

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My take on it? I’m 100% certain those assassins were after Saurfang. And I’m also certain that if thrall took up arms with saurfang, they would have to act against both of them. Which Thrall did. My Opinion? I have zero interest in thrall. His time has past, especially since he is in “hiding”.

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Sylvanas : does something evil
Sylvanas apologists: Let’s create the most convoluted and over the top reasoning to say she didn’t.

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We don’t know that she actually wanted to assassinate anyone. They may have just been there to kidnap his kids and using the leverage to keep him out of the way, and Saurfang being there unexpectedly forced their hand. I like to believe Sylvanas is smart enough to not think she could send 2 no name rogues against Saurfang and Green Jesus and win.

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Probably just a knee-jerk reaction since there’s a lot of this going on in the US anymore.

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I have no idea what they are thinking.
Why on Earth would Sylvanas send an assassin for Thrall?

Having a hard time getting my head around it. He’s no threat living in Nagrand without a care for leadership. And what the hell kind of elite rogue is followed by a giant lumbering Orc anyway?

Saurfang needs to die.

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That’s the impression I got. One for Thrall, the other for Saurpuss — err I mean Saurfang.

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What actions has she done that’s considerd morally evil? Burning down an entire enemy city is evil? Civilian casualties are apart of war… its not avoidable… she just an opportunist

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LMAO they fit the meme perfectly.

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ITT: Blood elves talking about honor, kek.

Has anyone considered that the assassins were not meant to kill, but rather to send a message?

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Someone was bound to strike first… get over it, besides, blizzard’s decision anyways

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Just like a screwdriver makes a poor chisel, assassins make poor messengers.

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Were you guys not listening , Saurfang states after Thrall says “You were followed”, “I followed them” pretty sure that indicates Sylvanas sent them to kill Thrall that is even if Sylvanas was the one that sent them.

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Warrior’s can’t track.

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The most likely explanation is that Saurfang is telling the truth that the assassins came there first, before him, but that they were staking the place out on the really logical likelihood that their primary target (Saurfang) would pay that place a visit. Saurfang wasn’t “followed” but he WAS the reason assassins were at Thrall’s farm. It does seem likely that regardless of that, they had orders to kill both orcs, and were probably arrogant with their ninja skills and didn’t think anyone would stand a chance against them.

Sylvanas should lie and say that they only had orders to kill Saurfang, and they went to Thrall’s because she believed Saurfang, who is now working with the Alliance, would try to get him to betray the Horde. She should say that if the rogues tried to kill Thrall too, it was because they went rogue in the heat of combat.

It is a well known fact that most likely operatives to go rogue are rogue operatives.