I understand why people who are outraged with the situation are posting and saying they unsubscribed and would not play anymore. But who are the people on the other side? Why are they trying to make a point that it’s okay and not a big deal? If they don’t care about discrimination and abuse, or maybe even support it (how we can clearly see from a few posts), why do they spend their time writing posts trying to convince others not to unsubscribe and continue playing the game? And the main question- why don’t all these accounts have any achievements, collections, and other evidence of people playing on them? Are they created just for these posts, or are people posting from their secondary accounts because they are embarrassed? And one small remark- we SHOULD listen to GMs from Texas because they would not participate in this lawsuit. This is a California lawsuit. And regardless of the fact whether it would go to court or settle, we can make our own opinion. We can come to our own conclusions without the court telling us whether or not Blizzard did any wrongdoing (if they settle the case, for example). We have the right to express our moral convictions with our wallets, I unsubscribed, and I will not be logging in to WoW (but I still have game time hence the forum post).
We are people that want evidence not just someone making an accusation to win the lawsuit lotto. Pages of accusations means nothing. If groping happened where are the arrests? Thats a serious crime and if it happened someone needs to go to jail.
Any arrests? Nope. Why not? Yeah thought so.
Im not saying it didnt happen but unitl I see real evidence and not just some disgruntled ex employee on twitter saying it did I choose to stay subbed and wait for the proof.
Literally no one has said this.
The evidence will be in the discovery (if you even know what I am talking about).
There’s 3 groups of people:
- The outraged - the ones who unsubbed or said they did(but lets be honest…a lot of them will come back out of addiction)
- The neutral - they don’t care. They will continue playing wow like its nothing.
- The “defenders” aka the people who want the courts to take care of it and let due process play out and show evidence, ect. Not be part of a lynch mob like others want everyone to be and witch hunt blizz employees.
Personally I’m not going anywhere. I still love raiding in wow and am not going to rage unsub because a few bad employees gave a bad image for 9000+ employees. A few bad apples won’t ruin a product for me, I really hope if they did anything stated that they are properly punished but its not gonna change my views on future blizz games or wow.
Many(not all) are the same people who proudly posted their support here for America’s previous president.
Honestly, it is a matter (for me) of waiting to hear the evidence.
A lawsuit is an accusation and nothing more until guilt is proven. =
Typically groping is hard to prove. Even cases of rape have gone cold because of back logs of rape kits yet to be assessed. So inappropriate touching is even harder to prove in an environment where it was treated as normal. And if anyone reported it to HR, they were punished instead.
You are never gonna see real evidence. The lawyers and state investigators will. What you will see is if they win or lose the lawsuit against them. Just like when Kotick lost his for sexual harassment of a flight attendant.
If it counts I’ve become a lot more sympathetic because of a thread I made and the replies I got
They gave me a whole new mind set
Yes, it’s true
Your condescension is noted and ignored. Its what the losing side always resorts to.
Im looking forward to seeing evidence but we all know it aint gonna happen.
There will be a pay out with an NDA and the corrupt state will get a big payout as a fine too.
There will be no discovery or court case… Its wishful thinking from the mob.
I think you don’t understand how our legal system works.
Because youre the mob that wants to string up people that are simply accused of something.
I do, but lynch mobs witch hunting are worse. I would rather just watch and wait then be part of such blind hate groups who attack innocents cause of others.
Who is doing this and where? Outside of blatant troll posts, I don’t know what you’re referring to.
Your comment says more about you than of anyone else. Youre so enraged you put a vegetable in office. Good job…
I’ll admit to possible blindness, in that I’ve just shown up, but I haven’t seen anyone come out and take a stand, protecting abuse and discrimination. People continuing to play a game despite the lawsuit may or may not fit in the categories listed, but I would not associate this as contributing to the abuse.
In my eyes, videogames have had elements of discrimination or something that may be uncomfortable to simply ignore (slutmogs and what have you), and I feel that a lot of us have operated under the understanding that scenes as described in the lawsuit may sincerely occur, and still don’t stop the businesses from obtaining grand success.
Selfishly speaking, if the lawsuit is proven to be true, I hope for justice for the victims, and that the perpetrators are quickly relieved from their positions and given punishments that ensure they do not do this ever again.
But people who want to continue to play the game and create art based on something they love? They are not to blame, and if everyone abandons the medium, it only contributes to a new problem.
If you think blizzard campus isnt covered up in cameras to monitor the goings on there you are blind.
All we will see is a payout to the state and the so called victims. Its all about money and blizzard will get all to sign NDAs. Its the lawsuit lotto in action.
The state gets paid and so do the ones who claim abuse. Its how it works.
Scream loud get paid.
I’m not American but thanks for ousting yourself and proving my point.
Don’t think this is place for the thread but that’s why they are doing investigations… People can harras same as others can lie that happen to them… Sadly I have heard stories were a friend got a law suite from a girl who did the same in the 2 previous companies… Doesn’t mean all but that’s why grain if salt and let them do the necessary investigations i have friends guys and girls who work there and they have never mentioned something like this they actually speak how are work task, get your job done and help you promote you with workshops and learning other crafts…
Also Is very odd that no one from inside raised the hand and is a entity doing it from outside … Might be they want to use them as an example?