True it doesn’t have to be the Legion to wipe the world clean. Ironically the main point of the Old Gods was to replace the Legion since before mentioned having the main colors being green and black is absolute horrible. As well writing about demon slaying requires a well certain METAL! starts rocking! touch. Also bringing unwanted attention, so really uneless the creators are good then don’t use demons. This is Activison Blizzard we’re talking about too.
The reason I chose Legion as an example is because it happened before BfA. If the Burning Legion is an eye sore for people, then just have them replaced by Old Gods, again that was their purpose. Cosmic Horror is this generations favourite thing that came after previous generation’s demon slaying. That makes Old God fatigue harder to happen, especially when they’re done right.
Continuing on though with Horde and Alliance banding because of N’Zoth wins route however doesn’t solve the core problem that BfA had. The Alliance and the Horde shouldn’t need and outside source for peace. If the goal is about peace, then it should be negotiated, talked about, trading and making deals should be made. An outside source has always been used since WC3 and it worked for that game, but then 4 years later Horde and Alliance are back at it again.
The problem at this point is it is too little too late for negotiations to even be possible. The Horde started another war on an act of genocide which alone is hard to negotiate. Top it all off this came a few years after MoP making it even worse. The Alliance have every reason and then some to wipe out the Horde from Azeroth. The Horde have every reason to defend itself to the death and wipe out the Alliance because the Alliance wants to wipe out the Horde. I don’t even think War fatigue is a good enough reason following genocide, negotiations at this point is impossible.
Negotiations would be more possible if BfA had the set up where the Alliance was aggressive and the Horde was defensive. Though at that point the Alliance had a space ship on top of all the heroes gained from Legion. The Vindicaar had to be written out for the plot to even work. So the Alliance starting off the war where the Horde would survive would be a harder pill to swallow.
If written well it can be a good story that can be played with for years. It must show the players that there’s going to be an well rewarded epic ending. But uhhh looks at Activision Blizzard that would be very unlikely. I’ll eat my own words and say Legion is WoW’s most successful expansion so don’t fix what isn’t broken.
The problem with BfA’s Horde Campaign with loosing was the fact that it was after the whole War of Thorns, and Battle for Lordaeron where it was already depressing and miserable. That’s just a really really hard thing to recover from, nigh impossible. Top that off where the ending if all those losses could easily be seen as something not greatly rewarding was going to happen, Battle for Dazar’alor. So really nothing could be a recovery from that. Legion did it better by both sides loosing at the Broken shore, and needing to recover from that.
If you just take for the Horde outside of the war, those parts were well done. Sure we were loosing Zandalar, but we made a comeback and won. The only real problem with it was the end game of it was based on Titan and Old God stuff. It should have been based off of Troll history and fighting Hakkar. Could even make an entire expansion with Hakkar as the big bad, where did the True Blood God go? Then again he is probably smart and slithered out of Activision Blizzard’s attention to not have his character ruined.
Nazjatar and Mechagon were also noted as the good parts of BfA as well. 8.3 feels like a rush to just get the worst part of BfA out of the way, the war. Really when it comes down to it, BfA had the potential to be a great expansion if it was just an Old God, or Hakkar expansion. That’s what is ironically the most tragic part, lost potential.
Yes, but only a fool would try to break the Lich King’s grip on an undead while they were that close to the Frozen Throne itself. Keep in mind that the only reason that Sylvanas and the Forsaken were able to break free in the first place was because Ner’zhul was weakening, and forced to channel power into his chosen DK, Arthas. In fact, outside of the Forsaken and player DKs, there haven’t been any LK-risen undead to break free of his grip while Arthas was still active. In addition, time was of the essence, as not only did they need to stop Arthas, the Alliance were coming right up their rears, and were likely upset over the Horde shooting down their airship.
Our end plan here was nothing short of killing the Lich King and that is what we were on our way to doing when this encounter occurred. This was well before anyone of us could dream to learn that there must “always be a Lich King.” So, capturing and imprisoning Draenosh for the couple of hours it takes to finish this attack and then seeing if maybe it’s easier to free him from the Lich Kings control when the Lich King is no more was certainly plausible. Plausible enough that I would hope a concerned father would explore it.
More importantly though, Saurfang talks at length about his undead son during that encounter. Everything he said falls in line with the “Cleanse your soul of this undead abomination by killing you” and at no point did he say anything remotely close to “I’d free you if I could, but it’s just too risky.”
The fact that he betrayed his warchief and somehow sylvanas can easily handle bolvar but she didn’t just blast Saurfang in an instant because reasons… tbh her brushing him off like a bug would be more of a show of power, and I don’t think she dislikes the Horde the dislikes anyone that wasn’t loyal she was also surrounded by alliance so I feel her comments were directed at that.
I don’t see why she couldn’t still defeat bolvar and break the shadowlands as warchief I think it would be more interesting to have the big sylvanas works with jailer let’s find a new warchief in shadowlands, meanwhile some truce is drawn Bcz she withdraws to the shadowlands is the Horde council enacts a truce while our warchief focuses on shadowlands, sort of like in SWTOR with the dark council ruling while the emperor did what ever he was doing
I don’t mean war fatigue, in like, people being tired of fighting the war. I meant war fatigue, in the strategical sense, in that the parties in question are nearing the point of total exhaustion in manpower, resources and wealth. The thing that brought so many pauses to the 100 year war in our history.
You were right at least that’s what Sylvannas told the Horde Champion. as the quest box text ends with “Malfurion Stormrage must die.” I’m not sure she shared that detail with Saurfang though.
When my character arrived at the place where Malfurion was kicking Sylvanas’ butt, until SOURfang threw his ax at him, and my character couldn’t do jack crap about it.
And, as much as I hate what happened to Delaryn, I also found it stupid that when she and I were fighting the Horde together, she kept insisting that we do it covertly. Honestly, why? They were absolutely no match for us. It would’ve been much better, and wasted far less time, to just barge in and kill all those mother #*@&#$s.
That’s her elven thinking coming to the fore. Elves live a long time and reproduce very slowly. So they tend to be conservative when it comes to placing those lives on the line.
Straight up battle tactics aren’t really a thing for Night Elves who prefer guerilla warfare for that reason.
Unlike Saurfang, my character has no problem with shooting a Horde target in the back.
What did you expect it to do? Were you really expecting a realisation of Varian’s “We will end you” Promise? Did you really think they were going to take out the central pillar of this game? Red Vs. Blue?
This pillar should’ve been taken out after Legion, Teldrassil and the events of BfA should’ve never happened. Their attempt at “resolving” the faction conflict did not only ruin the lore forever, but it also removed the possibility of cross faction play which would improve the game a lot.
BfA has basically told us that peace with the horde will never be possible, thus we can’t remove faction barriers
Eh, they switched Varian from Blue Garrosh to Captain America and pretended Blue Garrosh never happened. They can pretend BfA never happened, too, if they want to allow cross faction play in the future. They ignore lore as is already any way.
