Having a single lightning spell for ST and a single lightning spell for AoE and all the other spells being not lightning is not a lightning build.
I don’t understand why for some absolutely insane reason there weren’t any new lightning spells added with the talent tree revamps. Not even a choice node where you replace an existing spell like Lava Burst for a lightning one. Just every new lightning talent is a freaking passive.
The only builds we really got are a decently developed lava one and a halfbutted element weaving one that plays like a healer DPS rotation.
Where’s the lightning build? Blizzard, stop making promises you have 0 intention on following through on.
Idk I tried a lightning focused build with storm bringer hero talent in beta and it felt real nice. Spose they designed their storm talents around the hero talents
Stormbringer has the exact same problem that the talent tree revamp has: everything is just passive buffs to LB/CL.
If we actually go full lightning focus the rotation basically devolves down into spamming LB until you can use EB and occasionally LB will have a different animation.
It’s worse than a healer DPS rotation. It wouldn’t be fun to play and it wouldn’t(and shouldn’t) be viable.
If Stormbringer ends up being the better hero tree(which I doubt) I guarantee you people will be running an elemental weaving build, not a lightning one.
Lightning builds are still non-existent/massively terrible even on beta playing Stormbringer. Not enough stuff to make it work nor are their enough interactions with lightning spells.
After several iterations, I can tell you that the Lightning build in the beta is now fully functional and on par with Fire after the nerf. I’m not sure if this is intentional, but playing a build where you spam Lightning Bolt, Earth Shock, Flame Shock, and Tempest on proc now results in the same DPS as a full Fire or a Weaver build. I hope this isn’t an unintended side effect of the nerfs.
Even if you take talents for Lava Burst, using it results in a DPS loss or doesn’t provide an advantage.
So, at the moment, a full Lightning build is possible but not enjoyable. But thanks, Blizzard. It’s already something.
Therefore, Lava Burst should not be used, even if it procs an instant cast from Flame Shock. I repeat, it’s not very fun, but it is now feasible because it includes the raid set in the beta and is thus on par with Fire. However, it remains not too enjoyable to just spam Lightning Bolt, Earth Shock, and Flame Shock and stop. I don’t understand why they still don’t make Tempest replace Lava Burst with a cooldown, and every time Lightning Rod deals damage, it has a 15% chance to make it instant and critical. This would make the build much more enjoyable.
at moment Pure lighitng (no use Lavaburst) 480/520 dps depend crit,
Yeah, this was my main point. You can put all your talents into lightning stuff, but the problem is it’s all just passive buffs to LB/CL and leaves the rotation feeling very empty.
It’s very bad and poorly designed. It shouldn’t be viable in the state it’s in because it’s somehow even more brain dead than season 3/4 fire build in DF. They very clearly did not put any real effort into the lightning build.
I agree with you, but perhaps making it viable as a one-button build might be feasible mid-expansion or in the next one, say a year from now. We might receive an additional talent that allows us to use another lightning spell. While I concur that the current setup is subpar, it at least allows me to consider myself a Lightning caster. However, it seems that in the beta, this build might only be usable when both crit and haste stats are high.
IF you are getting similar DPS values between fire and lightning builds on beta, you’re CLEARLY playing fire builds in an incorrect manner. Optimal play is showing Farseer Fire Builds blowing Stormbringer Lightning Builds out of the water still with these nerfs in both M+ and Single Target.
I’m talking about a full Lightning build without using Lava Burst and a Lightning build that uses Lava Burst; a Fire Farseer build is 15% higher than a full Lightning build."
I like being unique and want to be the main one throwing around lightning bolts. I prefer the consistent lower cast speed of lightning over the random instant casts of LvB.
Plus LvB casts now give 60% chance for LB to have overloads vs the 25% chance. So to me weaving in LvB will still be viable.
I’ll be big mad if fire build is the ‘it’ build 3 tiers in a row. I want to shoot more lightning. I hate spamming lava burst. I’d play mage if I wanted to do nothing but spew fire.
The thing is that if you just mindlessly spam LvB you’re going to do be worse compared to weaving in other spells. Fire Builds essentially feel like what Elementalist builds felt like for Enhance but still have a bit to go.
Unfortunately it looks like fire build farseer is going to be the only viable option because Blizzard just kind of forgot to make a lightning build to compliment stormbringer.
It’s only a margin less mindless than before prepatch. lava burst spamming on the fire side of the tree. Ascendance CD is nothing but lava burst spam and maybe 1 or 2 ele blast in there. On live, it is still more lava burst than anything else. 35%+ of my damage is from lava burst spamming. I cast lava burst 40 times, ele blast 15 times, lightning bolt 12 times.
It doesn’t feel like elemental enhance at all to me. It’s significantly less one button spammy, especially back to back the same button. I don’t care if I spam a bit of a spender, especially that is a cast, but I am sick to death of lava burst proc spamming. I want more lightning visuals and spells. It’s unique to shaman.
DRE, sure, but outside of DRE, if you’re just back-to-back blasting LvB and not consuming MotE or spending Icefury effectively, you’re losing out. But I’m a person who doesn’t pay too much attention to the elements of spells I’m casting, so I have a very biased opinion on it.
I like the steps they took to move Fire Builds away from the “Lava Burst above all else” season 3/4 type play that Enhance’s Storm Builds had, but they had to design many trees to support Fire Builds. This has led to Lightning Builds not having enough meat to perform and makes hitting Lighting Bolt or Chain Lighting feel awful for Fire Builds; the only thing going for it is CDR on Pwave, which is already on a short CD as it is. Comparatively, Enhance Elementalist builds filling with Stormstrike doesn’t feel as bad.
I also think that at this point, they need to add talent that lets you choose whether DRE/Ascendance and Pwave function primarily off of Lightning Bolt or Lava Burst.
The pure Lightning build with Lightning Bolt, Tempest, Earth Shock, and Flame Shock, ignoring Lava Burst, is currently on par with the weaver but 15% behind the fire build.
i wouldnt even mind if we got lava burst conversion to lightning burst and that spell gave tons of maelstrom , because lightning maelstrom generation is sloooooooooow.
Eq needs to be nature dmg tho (its still physical for some unknow reason) and maybe add some thunders vfx just for flavour
storm elemental its bad and should feel bad , it needs to boost nature dmg or make elemental overload 100% but blizz changed mastery and now overloads are weaker so…
I still feel like tempest should replace earth shock.
Thematically I would want tempest to replace lava burst but that would be really hard to implement due to all the lava burst talents and fire Ascendance etc