Where was Muradin Bronzebeard during all this garbage?

why is Muradin bronzebeard nowhere to be found during the events of Teldrassil burning and all this other garbage? i feel like he could of stopped like 90% of the bad things happening in BFA. but for “some reason” hes just non existant…weird considering hes one of, if not the most powerful warrior in the game right now with maybe only Magni surpassing him. I feel like Blizzard did not includ him so they can push their Sylvanas always wins Agenda.

The political situation in Ironforge is really fragile. Muradin could go smash some orc heads in during the war… but he’d pretty much be surrendering Khaz Modan to the Dark Iron clan in the process. Moira has ambitions that her uncle no doubt wants to keep in check, which unfortunately means leaving the frontlines to other dwarves.

Falstad takes a very active role in the war, so I guess it was either him or Muradin who had to keep an eye on the homefront, and Falstad won that coin toss.

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i suppose that makes sense but i thought the dwarves settled their differences when they destroyed the gems to reforge that hammer (forgot its name)

Wasn’t Marudin helping in the defense of Stromgarde?

Muradin wasn’t there for the War of Thorns because hardly anyone from the Eastern Kingdoms was. He did command the dwarven forces in Arathi during that warfront.

The political situation in Ironforge isn’t that fragile. We had a scenario “Blood in the Snow” during MoP that pretty much shamed Muradin and Falstad into going “fine, fine, Moira isn’t going to do a coup again.”

Same place where all the rest of Alliance leadership that isn’t a human was.

On the bench and on their thumbs.

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Um. Gelbin Mekkatorque, Tyrande Whisperwind, Umbric, Genn Greymane and Falstad Wildhammer all had fairly major roles in the war campaign. That’s every alliance core race covered except Draenei, who had a very major arc with Velen at the end of Legion.

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Unless Blizz has him go perma-worgen, he’s functionally human.

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Sure, but pretty much all worgen are functionally human, by nature of their backstory. He’s still a racial leader of the “worgen” race, which I’m sure many worgen fans would hate to have considered as “just more humans”. Gilneas and Stormwind are not and should not be considered the same.

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Didn’t this whole Dark Iron coup thing get addressed at some point during MoP? There was a scenario I remember and it’s basic gist was the dwarves were unable to aid the Alliance due to their distrust of Moira so she packed it in and took the first step, showing a change of heart and a new direction for the Dark Iron (under her rule).

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Wasn’t the point that the attack just kinda came out of nowhere? It’d take a hot minute to get up to Teldrassil with any sort of sizable force. Even for the Dark Irons, which have (I’d think) the quickest troop deployment system with those MOLE Machines.

Lets talk about the lighforged elephant in the room. Why the Lightforged did not light-nuked Orgrimmar from outer space and ended the war in the first week?

They wanted horde-alliance heretics to be dead? :upside_down_face:

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I think people overestimate the power of the Vindicaar tbh. It flew around Argus and shot us a door into the raid but they doesn’t mean it’s invincible. The Xenedar was more advanced and it was shot down by one solo big demon boi.

Thats exactly the problem. The worgen curse is just another facet of humans, rather than being a distinct race of their own accord. Genn Greymane is seen most often in his human form, to the point you could account his worgen form the same as a priest’s Shadow Form.

Worgen lose so much intrigue and unique flair when they showcase their humanity more than the “cursed being struggling to maintain primal fury.”

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Personally I think it’s a part of their race, and who they are. They’re in a constant struggle between their human and worgen natures. They ARE the humans of Gilneas, but they also are cursed monsters.

I think you’ve got to look beyond just physical aesthetics with the worgen. Like sure, Genn’s in his human form a fair bit. That doesn’t make him a Stormwind human. I think human society on Azeroth is diverse enough that even without the worgen form thing, there’s clear differences between Stormwind, Gilneas and Kul Tiras, which is a big part of why we have three distinct human “races” in the Alliance.

Yes. I actually thought Miko was joking at first.