Where tank?

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I’m not going to claim to speak for all tanks. I will provide a list of reasons why there is a perceived shortage of tanks. Heroics aren’t hard, but they do have a gear limit which is honestly a low floor, but it does need to be met as a tank/healer.

It’s not as much raid composition though this contibutes.

It’s the PUGs.

I cast faerie fire. You cast CL/Arcane Explosion/Multi Shot you name it. Mobs run everywhere. Healer pulls aggro. I have 0 rage because you didn’t let them hit me.

Priests pre-shielding me drives me nuts. I get no rage at the start of the pull which is the time I’m putting in the most work to establish threat.

Reacting to a botched pull/body aggro by absolutely going berserk with dps instead of, say, CCing something, or off healing.

Complaining about having salvation and not kings/might/wisdom then pulling aggro.

Wanting to do YouTube FOTM hyper skips that other people aren’t familiar with, and you end up wiping. How much time did we save not pulling that first pack in SP then you aggro’d a Champion which feared us into the slave handlers?

Not having enchanted/gemmed gear(even budget enchants) and trying to do heroics in questing greens. As a community we’re not really geared to carry 2 people in a 5 man yet.

DPS not knowing to shock a caster that won’t los because someone dropped aoe on it before the tank touched it and now it’s free casting.

DPS not knowing how to LoS.

“xxx is res, LFM Tank” Yep, see ya.

Had a DPS running around instantly herbing everything and not sharing, couldn’t kick him because surprise the group leader was his guildie, didn’t wanna leave because was in a group where my BiS drops.

I have global cooldowns and I’m competing against 4 global cooldowns.

This is just off the top of my head, I’m sure other tanks can chime in as to why and if they even tank for PuGs.

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Amen to every single point! PuGs are rough. I’m not sure if I’ll run any heroics… Even as ret. Just not feeling it.

I got called the worst tank ever because I pulled a pat. I told them I prefer to kill pats before the run started. No one complained.

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Just no. Hard no. Even more so for Heroics.

I’m not a Paladin. Fury prot is long since dead (thankfully). And if I assign CC, I expect to not see that mob standing in front of me as I tab target devastate everything else.

Yes, seed of corruption is amazing. I remember loving it when I played my lock alt back in the day. Just calm down and let me hit the freaking mobs a few times before you start going ham.

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The idea of shielding a tank doesn’t sound bad but it’s really annoying they should include that in priest guides on things not to do.

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DPS Warrior here. I tank in Wrath and beyond, but not TBC and Vanilla. The reason? Too much pressure, too much judgment, too much responsibility. Tanking is way less stressful in every way in Wrath+.

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People hate tanking, because groups are toxic for the most minor issue. Who wants to put themselves in that position for little to no extra perks.

Also yes, people are used to retail where tanks have infinite threat, and can’t wait for aggro.

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Threat is easier but it’s not infinite lol. Dps can still pull off a tank especially if the dps outgears the tank. I’d say that retail tank threat isn’t as sensitive as TBC or Vanilla but not as easy as wrath where threat is handed to the tank just by being there.

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It was sometime in Cataclysm where they made threat brainlessly easy. Retail threat is probably around the same as in WotLK honestly.

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I 100% will let them die. If I see a multi shot flying over my shoulder as I’m charging in I 100% will make sure I have aggro on everything else and let 1 mob peel out.

It’s psychological, everyone wants to be #1 DPS and by a lot. Now in most groups it doesn’t lead to a wipe and the healer can keep me and the whatever class pulled up. But he usually is in the 4th spot under me as DPS every time he does that.

You must assisting me in training the community. If they die so what, but if they die they can tell their buddies “Oh yeah lol I pull aggro all the time and get one shot.”

But if they pull and they have to deal with 1 mob and you the tank are holding the group while the group aoes them down or dpses them down or whatever it is unequivocally his fault for not waiting for aggro, and he cannot use the “tank cant hold threat” argument.

I’ve seen guys go from doing this at the start of a dungeon to waiting for me to get aggro, and they get their #1 spot on DPS and I get my initial time to get aggro without saying a word to each other.

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Oh come on, how often does that really happen? I’d bet that 99% of all priests know the shield stops the tank from getting rage. This is the problem I have with the pugs are so bad posts. I’ve done a lot of pugs from vanilla to BfA to classic and while I’ve seen all the problems mentioned I’ve rarely seen them. Most pugs go pretty well

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I see it quite a lot, actually. I even see pre-HoTs before the tank has even pulled.

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Virtually every priest I’ve ever pugged I have had to whisper and ask them to stop pre shielding me. It’s literally why I regrowth/rejuv before virtually every pull, to help establish aggro.

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bro i though i hated really bad hunter who dont feight death no missdirect .

NOTHING WORSE THAN LOCK SHADOW PRIEST ELEM SHAMENJ NOTHING IN THE WORSE IS WORSE

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This isn’t a popular opinion, but a good tank can adjust for all the zany variables you just described.

Yes, none of it is ideal. But running pugs makes you better at dealing with anything that can go wrong. Tanks that refuse to run pugs usually fall apart at the seams when something even remotely out of the ordinary happens.

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You may not be wrong, but I tanked from day 1 in TBC back in 07. Tanked every day in classic as well, I am not the best feral druid in the world, but I would absolutely say that I am a feral druid and not a tank even though I mostly tank dungeons, I identify as a feral druid because there is so much more to the class than just tanking.

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Ok, it’s just hard to believe. I can’t be the only effin’ priest playing the game that knows not to shield the tank unless it’s an absolute emergency do or die situation. It’s just such basic information every priest should know. Yes most of my pugging I was the priest but I still did some pugs on my dps alts and I rarely see the priest pre-shield.

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I just asked them which was more important, finishing a run a few minutes later or waiting another 30 minutes for a tank. They usually pick the few minutes later. On the rare occasions I’ve been kicked, I usually just walk up to them as they stand outside the instance spamming General and have my new group I put together in 4 minutes circle them and spam dance before we go into the dungeon and finish it before they replaced me.

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It shocks me as well the sheer number of pre-shield priests I ran into leveling/and now all the way into heroics.

I don’t even mind PW:S but it is in a relationship with my rage bar.

60+ rage? Go Ahead PW:S.

40 rage avoid unless death.

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“But the meta says it’s faster!”

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Oh yeah.

DPS: LFM TANK! cricket chirp

Tank: LFG any- crowd cheers and roses thrown at feet as he’s carried to the instance

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