some of us are here because, believe it or not, we still enjoy the game 
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Don’t know how we can debate this topic this if Blizzard is showing off all the things they are adding to the game here before and in midnight and you’re just like “I don’t believe they’ll come”
Like, we can say they’re going to be bad or functional but lacking in customization features, but that’s different than trying to say they’re not coming when they clearly are.
I don’t understand how you can make this claim when they are literally talking about all the improvements they are making to the game and showcasing some of them.
Actually, you never said this in this thread.
I don’t disagree with this. FTR I am not anti-addon. I have used a lot over the years, and have been using some like Elvui and WA for as long as I can remember; in fact I used the origin addon of Weak Auras that was known as Power Auras. Thankfully for myself, even though I do dislike the fact that we appear to be losing WA in midnight, I play WoW a lot less seriously and often so I’m less concerned about my ability to play. If I can recreate a similar(ish) hud for combat info with the base UI rather than use a Luxthos WA package (which is what I do currently) I’ll move on with my life. I definitely do think that functionality should continue to exist though and hold out a sliver of hope that Blizzard will change what they are doing so WA sees a path forward to existing.
I partially agree with this, as I stated above I think WA needs to be able to continue to exist for less specific things. The main battle with WA is solving mechanics, not that we could make a custom combat UI with it, and currently that’s not doable with the way Midnight is set up to work, and that’s something I hope they fix (even though I’m not optimistic they will).
But as a whole a game where you shouldn’t feel compelled to download addons is a great situation to be in, the question just boils down to how well Blizzard will do at making it feel like that. I think that’s a major uphill battle for them because I think the desired customization options everyone has is so vast and I think Blizzard will really struggle to nail that stuff, especially out the gate.
I agree, this makes no sense. I enjoy playing the game with WeakAuras and timers. I’m not sure where the need to ban addons is coming from. Retail is very playable without addons, and Blizz could deff make improvements. They could make WoW so easy and intuitive that new players could follow along without feeling the need for addons whiles leaving the rest of us playing with our WeakAuras. Blizz seems to think new players are not capable of keeping up with the current state of the game??
So blizzard has completed them? These new features are up for public testing and review? You said that they are talking about them. Do you have a link?
Or did someone from Blizzard simply say that it’s going to be done?
Blizzard has scrapped features in the past and even scrapped the entire latter half of an expansion that was “talked about”.
And yes i did say that there are benefits to using addons. I specifically mentioned Details and how the DPS meter benefits players who are learning to maximize their class.
I very clearly said that.
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You couldn’t read my next sentence?
This here is the main reason all of us are here. Whether some enjoy the game or not, THIS is the reason why we haven’t given up on WoW… yet.
the sunk cost fallacy isn’t “i’m still enjoying X so i will keep doing it”.
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I don’t use weakauras either. You’re still the problem here.
They’re available on Midnight Alpha so a small selection of players are able to see them, including content creators that are showing them off on the youtubes. I don’t believe any of the PTR for current patches for the remainder of TWW are going to have them them, but I could be wrong.
I’d post links if I could, but I can’t. Preach gaming specifically has a video on them that I know of, I assume if you youtube around for midnight alpha ui updates you’ll find people showcasing the changes.
You really didn’t clearly, or rather specifically, state it, but you did speak to the value of details. Either way, you’re somewhat wrong on this anyways. Meters are really good for surface level evaluation, whereas a place like warcraftlogs is where you go to figure things out in-depth. There’s value in it, but if you really want to get into the nitty gritty the logs have a plethora of information to dissect compared to meters.
I suppose that’s neither here nor there though. Meters are coming, they aren’t being scrapped. You can bookmark me if you want, but preach’s video I mentioned shows it’s available in the alpha, albeit not currently loading correctly. Which, for early alpha, isn’t shocking.
Ah so your claim is that since I didn’t post the absolute best addon for a given situation, then I was wrong about addons having benefits? Are you going to stick with that stance?
You admitted that Details does have a level of benefit and then stick to the claim that I did not in fact state a benefit of addons.
You’ve done nothing but spew out wordsalad this entire thread. You’ve completely proven that your word means nothing. It’s just a huge collection of vomited wordsalad and nothing more. Yes logs give more detail, but that in no way invalidates what I said.
You’ve spewed nothing but useless garbage in this thread.
If I had 0 trust in Blizzard to at least attempt to move in the right direction at all I wouldn’t even be playing this game. I have other things to do with my time. I have quit multiple times in the past, and will do so again the moment I feel like the game is unfun to play.
That’s the stance I made so I don’t need to stick with it.
I think you misunderstand me recognizing what you said earlier, but not agreeing that you stated clearly about how addons have benefits as you didn’t plainly state it. I also said this part of the conversation really isn’t neither here nor there.
I’ll say it for you again though, meters are coming to Midnight. They’re not going anywhere. That’s the important part.
Says the guy talking about how they aren’t going to make good on the features that are already implemented and being tested in alpha.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
No.
Yeah, even if i am not personally effected by the changes i feel for the ones who were.
I really hope Blizzard plans a deepdive into UI changes and the futue of Addons. Also getting said changes to the Alpha.
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from what i have heard from the DBM creator vid, i feel midnight is going to anger alot of people. I would not surprised if more add-on creators just stop development after this and we just have an addon drought that Blizzard can’t fix.
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Nah ur the problem!
Good, we need an addon drought, get some real authentic skill again
according to people here thats called “performative empathy” 
People know that disabled folks are a minority but insist they advocate for themselves only because they + able bodied folks who care might be enough to form a majority IMO
I also struggle with attention and eye sight, but I’ll personally adjust (im hearing that you can resize at least)
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