There’s the haters; they can’t do anything right and mess everything up even if it looks promising or decent.
The white knights; give them a chance, don’t complain until it’s live (and ultimately screwed by then)
And the rationale people; they suck at certain things and are good at others and will be critical when it’s necessary and appreciative when it’s done right.
Plus with it being an addon based discussion we are talking about some players who loathe addons willingly blinding themselves to objective debate just because they’re glad addons are getting pulled way back so those players are being very vocal right now.
They are making their own meters so if they don’t suck due to a lack of customization or ability to review combat info the loss of details is pretty minimal.
As per your own words we cannot trust the forum here as it’s a vast minority, so I will not take this argument at front value in this instance.
Addons may be an issue, but the real issue is why we need addons in the first place. You want to replace the combat system and buff tracking? Give me an in-game system that does it as well if not better. You want to remove UI addons to go to the basic UI for everyone? Let me go extremely deep in how I want a window to appear, and go as far as changing the entire look or color of my UI to my liking.
Blizzard is never going to allow for any of this, everything they will ever make is going to be limited, clunky, ugly, basic and overall blend. That’s what the current basic UI looks like, and it’s years in the making. Now they want to delete WeakAuras or combat addons with months of prep, it’s not going to look good or let me do what I want at all.
So while you do, ask yourself why you have those addons you got despite being against addons, it’s because the basic game doesn’t offer remotely as much as what addons devs can give.
I use Plumber as an example most of the time and may have used it here already but can’t remember. Plumber is an addon made by a single Dev that adds a few dozens of minor details to the basic games, stuff like showing how much Reputation you have when you mouseover a Reputation Token, or showing how much Valorstone you got when you mouseover Fractured Sparks, or a way to track how much Gilded Delves we did, or how much Delver’s Journey XP we get with a progress bar, or adds a Search box and filters to the Titles, or shows additional pins for Bountiful Delvs and Special Assignments… Anyhow all of this is made by 1 guy, it’s so smooth and well-made it’s Blizz-like, yet all of those are details that adds so much to the game and the basic Devs couldn’t deliver that baseline.
That stress shouldnt exist in this game. Making things simplier is a better way to combat stressful complex rotations then having to download and manage addons.
While blizz is itself a monkey paw the player base is just the same.
Blizz guts every class to a much simplier rotation: “hey u ruined my class i can do this in my sleep now your taking away all the fun!”
Blizz removes addons that help with interupts cooldown management and combat so the player has to do all these things on their own “why get rid of the addons?!?!?! Now the game will be too hard snd i cant play without being stressed out!”
The balance they are going for is simplified combat so u dont need addons to track things. The complex rotation u usually have to pay attention to is being replaced by proper placement and area awareness as well as interupts. Now u can still do ur rotation and pay attention to extras without the help of addons.
This is the better solution. Not saying blizz will nail it right away but removing the safetly net forces them to work harder and smarter. Vs before where they didnt reallt care since addons would just cover their mistakes.
Nonsense. They understand. Otherwise why would my evil little familiar be standing on my chest at 4:30 in the morning, sticking his paw in my mouth to wake me up so I can feed him.
I mean this is objectively false, even prior to the announcement of addon pruning. Hell, some RWF players use close to bare bones UI. It’s also an odd statement to make when this whole addon pruning is specifically about improving their UI anyways. I get that people still love additional customization via addons (myself included) but that doesn’t mean the UI hasn’t improved over the years.
And to be clear, I am not a fan of losing certain addons like the way WA looks to be going, but they’ve absolutely made their UI better over the years. If you don’t think that go play classic for a bit, then come back to retail and realize how much better it is now.
Damage meters is a really low bar if you ask me, they basically can’t mess it up beyond a lack of customization options. I think where they will miss is on things like the CD manager they put out that was hot garbage and is only now getting good updates to it to where reception is a lot better for it.
I have no faith in Blizz to correctly implement any addon replacement but what are we supposed to do? Blizz is gonna Blizz and the add-ons are gonna break
A child could look at this UI over the course of an hour and point out a thousand different things that could be changed in a literal DAY.
Why is action bar padding only lowerable to 2? Addons have been able to set it to zero for decades.
Moving windows, a feature that has been requested for decades, is still only done by MoveEverything or blizzmove.
There is an argument to be made that we dont have these features because of addons, but there is zero evidence to support any statement of “Blizzard is doing well in regards to the UI”.
We have an Edit Mode that literally has less features than a phone game.
The statement I disagreed with wasn’t “Blizzard is doing well in regards to the UI” it was “They have never made it better” to which I will again say go back and play Classic then come back here and from a strict UI perspective ask yourself which is better.
I do think Blizzard is going to have a lot of work ahead of them for offering up all the customization other addons have provided and aren’t able to provide anymore and that will lead to a lot of frustration by the players for seemingly simple things like action bar padding settings, or what have you. I don’t disagree with any of this, but I’m also not going to pretend that the updates they’ve added over the years aren’t improvements.
These are not mutaually exclusive. You may think that blizzard will make fine replacements, and also not really notice the bugs and lag. Or if you do, you may not be raging up and down the streets about it.
Blizzards biggest mistake with this is NOT previewing what will be replacing some of these addons. This would let us judge for ourselves and provide feedback to improve.
At this point though even at 1:1 clone of WA would still be hated on principal. Its a lose lose situation.
Personally, i already played with Base UI. Only used details and dbm, so as long as there is a meter i can look at ill be satisfied.
It sucks that we are losing so much customization that WA provides, hopefully what ever blizzard has will be a little helpful.
The people who are handling things today is not the same as the people who handled things 8-10 years ago / when a lot of people first got into the game.
It’s not a matter of trust, it just is what it is, Blizzards game that they can do with as they please. We simply pay for access, if Blizzard changes things so much you can’t find the fun, then you can take you money elsewhere.
Stating facts doesn’t necessarily mean they are trusted.
They are in fact making their own UI stuff and making classes easier to play. That is indisputable, and we are along for the ride. Do I trust them to thread the needle in season 1? Not really.
I feel like this point has been made ad nauseam and people are just not acknowledging it. This is a valid concern but forum trolls are too busy name calling
A great many do use addons and no I dont have faith that blizzard will implemented addons. DPS meters are easy? All of the addons that are being used are easy. They’re nothing compared to creating a new game. They are all interface mods.
But that’s not the issue. You know that i said nothing about Blizzard’s programming abilities. I merely spoke of their willingness to do it. In twenty years, i haven’t seen any hint of them implementing any of the features you see in addons into the game permanently.
The pet battling is also getting stripped from the game in Midnight due to lack of interest. They could have improved the interface, but they chose to let it grow stagnant. There have been long standing addons that vastly improve the look and feel of it, but for those that don’t use addons, the system looked awful.
It’s going to be the same with combat now. It doesnt really matter that A FEW or SOME don’t use addons. I never said it couldn’t be done. I said that there are benefits to using the addons. Benefits that are being stripped which will lose players because not everyone likes to go in without them.
No matter how you want to sugar coat this, it’s a bad decision to strip away the addons like this.
