Goshom.
How can you say the Alliance is wrong to retaliate when the Horde murdered an entire city in War of Thorns?
It makes no sense. You are grasping for straws to point towards some long boys and angry merchants who decided to fight Alliance troops assaulting their harbor.
Is this really the Morally Grey you want?
This is all the validation you need?
Sad.
It really is.
It shows how poor your side of the narrative is when you are so desperate to feel vindicated.
Lith, either actually read what I say or just shut up, please.
I am not saying the Alliance is WRONG, I am calling them HYPOCRITES! Different thing altogether.
They didn’t though, as mentioned here:
The Alliance and Horde were not at war during this time. And after the War with the Legion, the Alliance and Horde were still in a ceasefire (Despite the Horde Breaking that ceasefire in Ashran).
Sylvanas started a war completely unprovoked.
The Alliance attacked an ally of the Horde while actively at war with the Horde.
It is not the same. Teldrassil is not justified.
Good talk.
Hypocrites how?
What should have they done differently?
Firstly, it’s never acceptable to kill civilians, but let’s not equate self-defense with murder. The deaths of the Zandalari civilians is a tragedy either way.
Secondly, there’s nothing to indicate the Zandalari forces aiding the Horde in attacking Kul Tiras were not sent there by Rastakan or even Talanji. There is a difference between the Zandalari Empire joining the Horde, and the Zandalar Empire providing support to the Horde. You can do both. The Vulpera are not part of the Horde, but are providing aid to the Horde as well.
Thirdly, Genn used the vagueness in Anduin’s orders as an excuse to attack Sylvanas. Whether he was justified in doing so or not is up to individual interpretation. Either you’re in the camp who believe he was doing it without cause, or you’re in the camp who believes the quest in Azsuna where you recover a journal detailing Sylvanas’ movement on Stormheim provides justification to try and stop her.
How about not attack a mostly neutral city and focus on the actual warfronts? How about focusing more forces into Arathi and push them all the way back to Silvermoon? How about reclaiming Darkshore and pushing to Orgrimmar? All of which would be more viable strategies then murdering civilians because some soldiers went against Talanjis and Rastakhans orders and attacked the Alliance when Talanji PERSONALLY states that the Zandalari were not allies until AFTER AND BECAUSE of Dazar’alor.
Not by signing a declaration, no. But Genn did still attack a Warchief in Stormheim, unprovoked. So her war is not unprovoked, you little cretin.
The Zandalari are involved in several assaults on Boralus.
They are sheltering the Horde.
All Horde assaults seem to be organized and conducted from Zandalar.
The Alliance is already at war with the Zandalari by arresting their princess and her with her Horde allies trying to burn the city down in their escape.
The Zandalari fired upon Alliance ships.
We are already at war.
Next question.
This is arguable because Genn had a good idea that Sylvanas was up to something malicious.
Yes it is, because one event does not correlate with the other. Sylvanas never even named Genn as her reason for going to war. So your position is speculative at best.
Reported.
All you stated are obviously just a bunch of soldiers acting on their own except for the burning of Stormwind which was the Alliances own fault for imprisoning a Princess who has done nothing to deserve it. Beyond that, Talanji states again in 8.1.5 that the Horde and Zandalari were not allied until then.
Giving a people a place to stay to prove themselves is not equal to allying yourself with them, considering that the Alliance between the two was still under heavy consideration., sorry but ingame lore beats your headcanon.
Next question.
Yep, and the Elves intentions were also malicious, they were planning to kill Horde soldiers in Silithus, justified.
Yes it is, read the Good War novel, it is stated among many things that this is why she started the war.
Cry me a river, baby.
So you are not refuting my point.
Alliance and the Zandalari empire are ALREADY at war.
So they are not neutral.
At most the were hostile to each other, the Zandalari who attacked Boralus, obviously did so against Talanji and Rastakhans wishes, of course if they invade Zandalari land they would kill them, naturally. But beyond that, they stayed out of the war as much as possible.
Dazar’alor is not equal to the genocide at Teldrassil no matter how much you spin it.
No they are at war.
There are assaults on Zandalar and the opening with their navy destroying our ships.
The Zandalari Empire and the Alliance are at war.
The Alliance did not want both enemies (Horde and Zandalar) combining their forces. So we struck first.
The rest you already know about.
Yes it is. Sorry buddy, no matter how much you want to justify the murder of innocent civilians, it is the same. You just cannot handle your shiny ‘hero-card’ being revoked.
They destroyed a bunch of ships that were harassing their princess and invading into their waters, but again you spin it to victimize yourself.
You realize most Alliance dont care about that right?
Most people here want to do MORE damage. not less.
Its not victimization.
Its a fact.
The Alliance and Zandalar are at war. Whatever justification applies doesnt matter.
We are at war.
Explain to me how burning thousands of innocent civilians alive for no reason at all is equal to a military attack on a Horde city?
I mean, i’ll admit it’s a stupid attack and it should be against the forsaken or someone involved in the War of Thorns instead of the Zandalari, but in no way is it equal to genocide.
oh yes, give me more innocent blood, i am done with being the good guy, and no, i am not being sarcastic.
if what the OP say is true, then i am pleased and more proud of my leaders, if that is even possible.
Where do i sign up to get my hero-card revoked? Because i really want out of Anduin’s Alliance at this point. We need to do more damage instead of trying to make peace time and time again.
Ah, okay, now we are getting somewhere. Now, I will level with you. I do not care one way or another. I support Teldrassil but I do not support Dazar’alor for two reasons:
The Alliance should have burned the entire city as they retreated with Azerite bombs.
Grab the Kultiran fleet and quickly begin their assault on Orgrimmar and/or Silvermoon now that the Horde navy is crippled.
Its called revenge. Look it up.
Thats what Hypocrisy looks like.