You forgot to mention, VIA Greymane: demanding to hand over your only daughter as a hostage - after murdering and bloodying the streets with your people.
I thought the hypocrisy was rich, given his past but doesn’t surprise me, seems to sum up the Alliance in a nutshell + The double-standards. lol
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That was a case of “unreliable narrator”. This is the canon version. “King Rastakhan of Zandalar… On behalf of the Alliance, and in the name of King Anduin Wrynn, I hereby request your surrender.”
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It’s kind of funny that people fixate on this for Genn, when Bwonsamdi is actually the one who does end up with Talanji and comes off as a creeper when he abandons Rastakhan for the last phase of the fight:
- Bwonsamdi yells: Ya been king a long time, Rastakhan. Maybe... too long. If ya can't be gettin' da job done, perhaps dat pretty daughter of yours can.
They are trying to even the scales of faction wrong doing
But until this point the horde were unquestionably the bad guys pretty much since MoP till WoD 8.1
I’m talking about the ‘Surrender!’ speech. In regards - Bwonsamdi had no dialog in what pushed Rastakhan’s hand to refusal, only in the fight after that refusal. And even without Bwonsamdi’s interference, he would had ultimately died by the Alliance’s hand. The moment Rastakhan refused surrender, Greymane demanded the Alliance murder the ‘Savage’.
So the statement of “…when Bwonsamdi is actually the one who-…” is what I find ‘Kind of funny’.
Hence, yes of cause people are going to fixate on this for Genn. He was the one who ultimately barked the order to kill. He could had said “Apprehend him - I want him alive!” but nope, it was “SO BE-IT. KILL.” moreorless.
how do you know that, do you work at blizz?
Bwonsandi’s powers is what has taken the life force of rasthakan.
abusing those powers is why he died.
and you know that genn don’t actually demand talanji as a hostage, right?
Watches Rastakhan die so he can take Rastakhan’s daughter. Yes, I was pointing out that Bwonsamdi is the one who actually does that.
Further along this tangent, it then ends up being even funnier that Bwonsamdi offers to let Talanji go if she kills Sylvanas.
I think the Rastakhan v Zul fight is pretty good evidence the alliance and its order hall champions would wipe the floor with a non-bwonsamdi infused rastakhan
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How do I know that? Are you serious… Because he was literally struggling mid-fight and begged Bwonsamdi’s butt for help otherwise the Alliance would had swept his hide on the ground like cake at a 5 year old’s birthday party. Greymane had already shouted out the order to take him down, after the refusal. They planned on killing him.
Mid-fight Rastakhan panicking and begging for Bwonsamdi’s aid was because he knew that, as did the Alliance ‘heroes’.
I don’t need to work at Blizzard to know that he was the Alliance’s prey either way. It’s practically common knowledge.
And as for your comment ‘and you know that genn don’t actually demand talanji as a hostage, right?’ that’s depending on the perspective.
From the Horde’s side playing out the Alliance’s side, for the defeat of Rastakhan:
'Genn Greymane: King Rastakhan of Zandalar…I order you to submit! You will bow before your new master, King Anduin Wrynn, and you will deliver your daughter to us as a hostage! ’
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Ah, I see. Miscommunication is all, I was merely stating that ultimately he fell by the Alliance’s hand - But yes Bwonsamdi could had probably stayed the hand of fate & restored his form; but like everyone knows he has plans & believes Talanji can push them more than he - Hence, at the end of the encounter let abandoned him; and let the consequences of his power be his undoing as the Alliance struck him down either way.
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And, as I said earlier, this is not the canon version.
Yeah, he was getting exhausted and would have been captured.
Genn didn’t say “champions,murder him!”
he just says"you know what to do".
No, rasthakan abused his powers that is why he was old in the cinematic. bwonsandi actually killed him.
then you know that isn’t what actually happened, that is a scout telling you a lie.
Oddly enough, Steve Danuser recently talked about stories told by characters in-game such as Otoye actually have less canonical standing.
Steve Danuser at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhpGvgXyi-U&t=44m01s :
- It's easy to look at the things that characters say within the world, and you click on an NPC and it says "Something about this" that happened or "this that happened" [or] you find a book. Think about it that someone had to write that book - in the world - and they might not have had all the information. You've got this world of people who might say, "Oh, yeah, well, Turalyon, well he's eight feet tall and has red hair and he has all this stuff-" and they're just completely wrong. It doesn't become, you know, some canon just because a character within the world says it. They have an impression. And so I think that sometimes people get fixated on the idea of like "Well its in this [in-game] book and it says this or and then so and so-" Well, that doesn't mean that everyone in the world knows that, or that it's even true.
So, according to Blizzard, just because Otoye said that Genn said something doesn’t mean it’s even true or that Otoye’s telling of the story becomes canon.
Incidentally, Steve Danuser was the writer for the RP scenes in Battle of Dazar’alor.
Steve Danuser at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhpGvgXyi-U&t=49m09s :
- It was a lot of fun- the Battle for Dazar'alar was really cool. I got- I had the treat of- Sometimes I get to write lines for the raids and things like that, and so I got to write a lot of the RP scenes in between some of those fights. So I hope you like them. They're kinda fun. A few of them are a little over the top.
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That was the unreliable narrator effect, it gives the Horde and the Zandalari ample reason in game to hate the Alliance and want them all dead. But you and me know that this is not exactly what happened, though what I posted above is still bad. They expected Rastakhan to submit after they just got done murdering priests, defiling his city, murdering his people (soldiers and civilians alike) and then expect him to surrender peacefully when Gelbin is over on the Horde side boasting how Dazar’alor is now Alliance property.
And I admit that, so the whole: I will imprison your daughter thing never happened, doesn’t make it much better though.
Oh believe me, I don’t like Bwonsamedi because of this either. Though I see many liking him cause he is all like: I want Sylvanas dead. Without realizing what a douche he is and without realizing that he is more evil then the writers could hope to make Sylvanas.
I am pretty sure the reason why he died was the Alliance heroes pummeling him to death. What happened in the cinematic is merely Bwonsamedi claiming his prize.
I don’t know about you, but I am pretty sure that when you are struck with warhammers, sharp swords, magics of all kind that this tends to be quite lethal. Bwonsamedi does not kill the ones he bargained with, he merely claims them when they die, so no, Bwonsamedi wasn’t the one to kill Rastakhan, Bwonsamedi merely cut off his support and let him die to the rabid Alliance attack dogs who murdered him.
More how she saw it. Considering these hostile invaders were murdering their civilians, defiling their temples, murdering their priests and suddenly they expect them to surrender. They might as well have said it like this in the eyes of the Zandalari.
I think there are even Sylvanas fans that like Bwonsamdi despite this.
… I mean… Bwonsamedi is cool… he is a… well… not a good person. But come on, his interaction with Talanji when she is made queen was so cool. Almost like Dr. Facilier.
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I got silenced and I am not sure why… meh
No, that is what YOU are doing.
I am not assuming that, I just can’t assuming they were killed without cause either.
The point is that there is no evidence, where as Teldrassil, we KNOW for a FACT that none of them fought back, because A. They were incapable of it. and B. They never had the opportunity.
You are assuming intention. Which is the whole point of this. You have no evidence for any of your claims, and you merely assume.
I never said that, I said they could have been trying to capture them.
Which is a good reason to try and capture civilians for their own safety.
I am not ignoring any points… I am trying to show you how Dazar’alor and Teldrassil are not the same.
One is a very small, isolated incident that happened as part of a battle, that may not even be as malicious as you claim. The other is the mass extinction of an entire, innocent and defenseless population.
You have no argument.
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I just wanna point out that Goshom is currently raging in Wyrmrest Accord Alliance trade. Someone has claimed that the Horde has no respect for the environment. Goshom contested this by using the Zandalari’s respect for their dinosaurs as an example of the Horde respecting the environment. Yet Goshom claimed in this thread that the Zandalari are not Horde, or even allied with them in the war, until Sylvanas and Talanji formally induct them.
So which is it, Goshom?
I’m just confused by the logic. Why jump all the way to the Zandalari, when the Tauren are sitting right there? Wind power, and all. Not to mention large scale gold mining isn’t a very eco-friendly practice, and the Zandalari use alot of gold.
Also, 900.
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I believe the large sweeping claim - which I won’t touch - is that any Druids and Shaman who stand by the Horde’s recent actions are hypocrites.