Someone swinging a knife at you is dangerous, no matter what.
I don’t believe you.
Again, assuming you are not lying, which I am sure you are. I bet if the exit wasn’t blocked, you would tell me “You let them flee to be eaten by dinosaurs”
So, yes. This is the excuse I am going with.
Considering you have lied several times already. No.
It wasn’t residential.
Not if you are heavily armored and a trained swordsman, you really underestimate mail and full-plate which are the Dark Iron’s go to armor-type. A little knife is useless against that.
Don’t care, it is still military practice to not shoot a civilian just because he kicked your shin.
No, because the Zandalari mostly had control of the area outside of Dazar’alor with their huge armies, quite different from Taurajo, but nice Strawman there.
Yes it was! It is a market area where residents and merchants had their homes, it wasn’t a barracks. So yes, residential.
Well, if you knew anything about Historical armor and swordsmanship, you would know that Knifes and daggers were the typical means to combatting heavily armored opponents. A short blade allowed for more accurate, deliberate and powerful strikes.
This translated into fencing with a little something called half-swording.
So, good job revealing that you don’t know what you are talking about.
If they came at you with a knife, it is another story.
This is not true, and one who quested through Zuldazar would know that.
Where they released the Gorrilla was someone akin to a Barracks.
You are stating trained swordsmanship… TO CIVILIANS WIELDING KNIVES WHO AREN’T TRAINED SOLDIERS AGAINST TRAINED SOLDIERS WEARING FULL ARMOR AND HEAVY WEAPONRY.
You are the one associating advanced fencing and swordsman skills to untrained civilians.
That is like comparing apples to oranges, not a equivalent, you want to keep focusing on the knife, okay, it is like a peasant (untrained, without professional equipment) going up with a knife against a fully armed, fully armored knight.
Nathanos and Talanji are waiting right outside that gate and One of the Captains is stopping the Dark Iron from following the fleeing civilians right behind the entrance. So no, it is true, the Zandalari have a safe-zone right outside of the area that the Horde uses as a entrance to the raid.
No, it was a harbor, and it leaped over the harbor and into the market area. Want me to show you? Get on a Horde character, I’ll show you.
No I am not, I am saying a knife is a danger to armored troops. This is even more true when you consider that trolls have super human strength, and could puncture most conventional armors with their fingers.
Full armor or not, if someone came at you with a knife, you would defend yourself with lethal force.
No it isn’t because this is exactly like what happened. If someone came at you with a knife, or a shovel, or a hoe, or whatever else… You defend yourself.
Prove it.
When I get home, sure. Prove it to me.
That’s happening a lot
Yes you are because a untrained peasant with a knife is no threat to a martially trained soldier in full-body armor wielding beasts and elementals. Again, you are justifying the murder of civilians who could have not hurt the Dark Iron even if they tried to.
No because as a soldier you don’t wear full plate armor with chain-mail underneath and a thick jerkin that could stop most conventional knives, as a soldier you wear at most a helmet and a bulletproof vest, meaning there are still many areas where that knife could hurt you. As when you are in full plate, it couldn’t, especially when said metal was made by FREAKING DARK IRON DWARVES! You know… some of the best metal smiths in the world?
When you get home, I will. Get on your Horde character I will take you first to the Harbor, and show you where Grong Rampages, he even lands atop the melon cleaver place which is more a restaurant and a bar then a barracks. And Then I will take you to the entrance we appear in when we enter the raid, and I am not sure if you did the quest so far, but for me Nathanos and Talanji are right there, then I will try and convert our party into a raid and take you inside and try to show you as much as possible without trying to pull the mobs.
And this is how I know you are lying about your military service. You know that’s illegal btw?
Yes they could, and they would have.
Typically made of Kevlar or aluminum, which is designed to catch knives, as opposed to traditional metal armor that was designed to deflect knives. The reason for this is because knives were often used to pierce chainmail and gambesons, and a deflected knife could easily fall into the joints offered by plate armor. Modern armors prevent this by catching the blade as well as projectiles, to avoid ricocheted mishaps.
As a military man, you should know this.
Why don’t you just find a playthrough on youtube and link it to me? Show me the exact event.
Oh my god, Airman First Class, code 2A631 served for three years in Fort Walton Beach, believe what you want. You are comparing soldiers, today, with medieval knights. You know why armor got irrelevent? Not because of knives, let me tell you: BECAUSE OF GUNS! In fact, knives were easily deflected with armor.
No, untrained civilians would have not taken out fully armored and fully trained commandos.
Medieval plate armors where not just the plate, when they had to deal with the joints they particularly wore chainmail around the joints and neck area to catch knives and such, as long as the thick gambesons beneath. As a military man I don’t need to know anything bout medieval weaponry. All I know is from ‘Shadiversity’.
Much easier to show you in person, and you cannot say that you refuse to watch it because it is some youtuber you don’t like.
What’s the green weenie like?
True, but that was because guns has the piercing power from a distance. Knives were easily deflected by armor, but just like a ricocheting bullet, a deflected knife is still dangerous.
Trolls, who by the virtue of their race have super human strength and regeneration powers. Yes, they could have.
Knives would pierce chainmail. That’s why most knights carried Rondel Daggers with them. In fact, a lot of the combat training knights has was related to grappling, so they could get in range to use their dagger.
So you can make it up? Show me the actual event or I am going to assume it doesn’t exist.
Green Weenie? Not sure what that has to do with Aerospace Propulsion.
No, because if it ricochets off of your armor, it is no danger to you anymore, add to that, that most dwarves use longer-ranged weapons (longer reach) like axes or two-handed swords, a untrained civilian versus a trained combatant will lose 10 times out of 10.
Against Dark Iron Dwarves who by virtue of their race are also stronger then humans and are much tougher as well. Add to that that those Dark Iron are heavily armored, have better weapons and supernatural elemental powers against a shopper with a pig-sticker… troll will lose 10 times out of 10.
Yes and that kind of accuracy cannot be recreated by sheer blind-luck, again you are bringing up advanced martial combat and associating it to untrained civilians. None of them are trained in this, none of them know this. They are just shoppers who are accosted by Dark Iron dwarves shock troopers who are fully armored and flinging elemental fire everywhere.
How… How can I make it up when I am actually willing to SHOW you? What is actually wrong with you?
As I thought.
yeah, its a danger to the people in your formation. That’s why modern armies made the switch to aluminum and Kevlar.
Off set by their short arms and legs, vs Troll who can be between 7-9 feet tall.
Doesn’t mean much against an unarmored opponent. The point being made was a troll can likely pierce whatever armor the dwarves had due to their immence strength. It has been said a Troll can pierce armor with their bare hands.
Why not?
It doesn’t matter, point is, a tall, super humanly strong troll weild a knife is a danger… it doesn’t matter if you are trained and armored or not.
Youll take me to Dazar’alor and say “This happened here” Just show me a video.
You know what, never mind. I just went and watched a playthrough myself and nothing you say is true…
You obviously know where Grong leaped too, right? Why do you need a video showing it?
Whatever
Again, you are comparing knights… to modern soldiers… there is a difference.
Doesn’t matter, a dagger has no reach.
Human-made Realistic Armor… that stuff was so hard to pierce by bladed weapons that not even two-handed swords could bite through the steel… THIS IS DWARVEN MADE MAGICAL ARMOR!
Because aiming for stuff like that, grappling and all the things you have brought up that WOULD be a threat to a Dark Iron requires training… something that those civilians do not have.
Versus short, super-strong, resilient super-armor clad, trained, experienced commandos.
Link the video, cause all I am hearing is ‘Damn… he is right… I need to make a excuse so he can’t show me that he is right!’
I’m explaining how armor works to you. And how it has envoled to catch knife attacks instead of deflect it.
Their arms do though… several feet of reach on the dwarf.
You are talking to someone who actually does HEMA. I read historical fencing manuals for fun. You have no idea what you are talking about and it’s obvious. You probably don’t even know what a Gabeson is.
Daggers and knives are piercing weapons. Blades weapons are using for slashing, which Chainmail was design to defend against.
Daggers were commonly used to pierce armor. If that wasn’t the case, then the rondel daggers wouldn’t exist, and neither would half-swording.
It’s not the attacker is aiming to ricochet, it’s that the ricochet itself is dangerous. Didn’t they teach you this in basic?
Means little when they just stab through your armor.
I need to drive. But I will when I get home.
600 posts btw
on a troll. at this point he’s at 20/10. This is excellent.
So several feet of flesh for a weapon to dig into and around… 1 foot of blade that is lethal vs several feet of death and blade? Really, this is what you are going with.
You are explaining modern armor.
Daggers are still bladed and can be used for slashing as well.
We are talking about aiming for chinks in armor is not as easy as the movies will have you believe.
Which would not happen.
Half-swording is not a dagger, and it was used to get into a chink and pierce through mail using extra weight and leverage in the strike. A civilian will not even know what half-swording is. And look at those daggers, are those rondel daggers. I would guess: No.
Yes, and it is starting to bother me, I am trying to farm gold here, but when people are wrong you have to educate them.
I aaaaaalmost re-engaged here, but the logical part of my brain started screaming “don’t feed the troll don’t feed the troll don’t feed the troll”
You’re good, friend. You’re good.
He’s trolling you, Aki. Just stop. He’s getting off on this lol.