Yeah?
then what is this? (credits to reignac)
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Thankfully, the newest lore supercedes the old lore, thank Blizz’s sloppy writing for that, the Zandalari were not part of the Horde and did not aid them beyond storing the Abyssal Scepter. Talanji herself states when you make a Zandalari that the point where the Zandalari joined the Horde was AFTER and BECAUSE of Dazar’alor. I know, the dumb, bs writing gets confusing sometimes.
No, they don’t they send you, a hero to help the elves, they don’t send the entirety of the Alliance to do this.
I criticize dumb planning, and hypocrisy. I am not against what the Horde did, so I have no right to actually complain about Dazar’alor, what i complain about is the rampant hypocrisy about ‘KILLING CIVILIANS IS BAD!’ and then turning around and killing civilians. When a smarter strategy could have been employed to PREVENT the Zandalari from joining the Horde, rather then cementing it.
Alliance side I found the Lightforged Draenei leader to be a psycho, screaming about killing “insects” as he chokes trolls to death.
The biggest crime though is the Alliance kills a bunch of Longbois (brontosaurus) during the invasion. Those bastards.
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They might not have directly been part of the Horde, but they sure as hell aided them - what you just stated does nothing to contradict this.
And then immediately afterwards, the Alliance turns around and aids them in the Warfront. The Warfront coordinator in Boralus outright says they won’t let them stand alone.
Commonly, what we claim is bad is civilian (or just regular) genocide - y’know, that thing that Sylvanas did at the start of BfA, and intends to do again.
*blood trolls
Do you want to keep doing that lost cargo quest with the stomping longboi?
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I have just been assured on another thread that this is the Alliance action that will finally get Horde players whipped into an angry frenzy and give us incentive to fight the Alliance.
So … other Horde players, do you agree with that?
Yeah, you know that doesn’t make sense right? They weren’t part of the Horde, yet they fought alongside the Horde in a war that only affects the Horde?
Who do they send? Who are the soldiers gathered all around Boralus to go to Darkshore when the Warfront is up? Elves and Worgen.
I don’t care how you justify it, if the murder of civilians is bad, then it is bad all the time. Any other answer makes you a hypocrite.
Duh! The Alliance just proved Sylvanas right, so of course.
Jokes on you, I’ve reduced my WOW play to only story related activities. World quests and the entire Azruite system can suck it.
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There is a world of a difference between killing civillians trying to flee or evacuate and killing civillians that are attacking you. They kinda forsake their civillians rights to not get killed in the latter.
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The Horde weren’t part of the Zandalari Empire, yet they fought alongside the Empire in a war that only affects them (before they knew about G’huun or anything). Allies aid allies, don’t hafta bend the knee to qualify.
Those are just the people gathered to represent the Darkshore front. Do you honestly think that the Warfront was only comprised of Night Elf and Worgen players? WE’RE the strike force.
Scale is a thing, and claiming that the Alliance is “just as evil” when they kill like twelve civilians in the face of the Horde’s thousands is wildly off, and you know it.
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Even if they’re only Blood Trolls, it’s good to see the Lightforged Draenei bringing some of the Zealous Crusader aesthetic to the Alliance. Better than the Scarlet Crusade, as that’d just be more humans. Instead we have Light Fanatics cut from the same cloth as X’era!
As the player of a Void Elf I do feel somewhat smug knowing my race is equal, if not slightly higher, on the moral food chain, than the Lightforged.
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grand lector enara for high exarch and queen of the alliance!
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Was that telaamon on campaign or some wq dude? Dont remember
And why did the Horde aid the Zandalari? Because they wanted their fleet.
Yeah… you… the Heroes, which are a force of a dozen strong, at most, among a huge army of elves and worgen, I don’t think that applies as putting your military might into it all.
Twelve civilians we see, the precedent has been set that these soldiers care nothing for Anduin’s orders, and you really think that Grong, the mindless beast, cares who he is flattening?
Which only makes me hate the Alliance more, I mean we just saw that the Lightforged are zealots yet they willingly fight alongside Void Elves… Ugh…
No there isn’t, again, you don’t murder someone because they try to hit you with a pillow, which if you are fully armored is the amount of damage a untrained Zandalari fist will do to you.
So, the killing civilians thing, the name you used is “Furious Merchant”. That name in and of itself implies that they attack first, they see the Alliance there, and pull a ‘random bandit attacks Dragonborn’ thing.
Moreover, the Horde uses Zandalar as a launch point for a strike against Boralus, that’s the whole point of the Alliance attack, initially. Yeah the war campaign has the Alliance preparing for things and sowing discord and laying traps, but they only actually ramp up to attack after the Horde strikes in Tiragarde. And again, there are Zanda forces among those mobs.
Even ignoring anything before BfA prepatch, the scales aren’t in the Horde’s favor. You have the Burning, you have what the Horde does when they own Darkshore, i.e Blighting and burning it to death so it can’t be inhabited. You have Stormsong, (which is a weird plot point, but… it’s there), which is also pretty bad. Not to mention every single Horde incursion has a world quest to kill a doctor tending to civilians.
I mean, even the leader of your own allied race expresses a desire to wipe out draenei on Azeroth because of what different draenei did in another reality. It’s not comparable… I don’t like it, myself, but that’s what we’re being given as story. To say that the Alliance is just as bad is almost being deliberately contrary.
Edit: And yes, all Horde races were present at the Burning, even Tauren. Tauren Shaman fight Druids of the Claw on the beaches.
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That’s right, buddy. And why did the Zandalari aid the Horde afterwards? Because they’d proven to be the worthy allies Talanji thought them to be, and likely wanted to maintain that friendship. The reasoning for the Horde or Zandalari’s aid does not discredit the Horde and Zandalari working together to attack the Alliance, even before the Zandalari formally join the Horde.
At least twenty in terms of game scale, which is likely larger given the lore scale rule.
It’s the Night Elf and Worgen home. The majority of the forces and population in Darkshore were those two. Did the Alliance not put their military might into Stromgarde because the majority of forces there were Arathor?
No, from what I hear, you only see a few soldiers attacking civilians, while the majority of them fight military forces. No precedent is set for the whole of the army.
Armies always deploy superweapons and warbeasts when they invade, how is this any different? Get the civilians the hell out of the way, your city is being attacked.
So you hate the Alliance for not being zealous enough then?
You saw that r/wow post too, huh?
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You saw that r/wow post too, huh?[/quote]
Yep, people were so caught up in the Purge Squads Ally side before they were changed that no one considered what happens Horde side.
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To be fair, I don’t think we’ve seen any actual direct interactions between the Lightforged and the Void Elves yet, let alone cooperation. They seem to tolerate one another, or at least go out of their way to avoid confronting one another.
Besides, the Zealousness of the Lightforged isn’t entirely Light-directed, it’s Alliance directed.
Trolls are stronger and tougher than your average human. They were fighting back. Not running away, not trying to evacuate. They were trying to kill those Alliance soldiers. So the soldiers killed them first. Big deal.
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So… the alliance should just never right back to not prove sylvannas right? I’m confused. If you attack someone and get attacked back thats pretty expected.
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Hits soy
If you kill your enemies, they win
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