Yeah, and?
I just pointed out Arthas wasnt a part of the Alliance when he did that
Aside from the obvious outrage, I have some additional outrage.
The Alliance Monk you fight calls the Horde “Troll Sympathizers”. That’s… an odd statement. Almost as if simply being a Troll is worthy of slaughter, and the Horde was wrong to aid them.
Gelbin is out of line as well. He calls the pyramid “primitive”. Rude.
I think Genn’s statements are the most fitting though: “Rastakhan chose his fate when he sided with the Horde.”
That’s how the Alliance feels about people who work with the Horde. It is evident by the destruction of the Vulpera caravans, the death of Rastakhan, and even the Troll refugees in Voldun, who are killed for simply being Trolls.
Good.
That’s how I feel about every member of the Alliance. Including the people in Teldrassil.
Glad the Horde and Alliance motivations are cleared up for any who were confused.
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Who cares? What do you think that point adds to this?
Taurajo, the Blood Elf civilians in Dalaran, the Blood Elves as a whole under Garithos, Orcish children in concentration camps, Dazar’alor.
I can name quite a few myself.
THIS! THANK YOU!
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I find this fascinating.
This is all make believe and fantasy with both sides having the same information but with the power of delusion these people can somehow manufacture themselves as the victims here.
You reap what you sow does not seem to compute here.
Oh wells. Enjoy your fan fic I guess boys.
I will eagerly await some actual morally grey if Blizzard bothers to make any for my faction.
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Have you met Arcanist Valtrois? She calls all her allies’ cities primitive.
Civilians were hugely allowed to escape, this was the big deal with Taurajo. Some were inevitably killed, but not targeted.
Like five civilians died in the Purge, most were transported to the Violet Hold. Jaina killing them on Hordeside was said to be a glitch.
Garithos is kind of legitimate.
The alternative to the camps was killing all the orcs, as they had done with Karabor and Stormwind.
I’m absolutely positive that the ratio of civilians avoided to civilians fought is being ignored by you for the sake of this bait thread.
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The Runestones aren’t the concern. There’s maybe two that are active anyways. The function of the Runestones is to mask the use of magic within Quel’Thalas from extra-dimensional entities. Namely, it was to keep the Burning Legion from detecting magic used in Quel’Thalas. It did have the added benefit of cutting off the ability to wield magic from all races except Thalassian Elves, I believe.
The Ban’dinoriel was the shield which protected Quel’Thalas. Powered by the Sunwell, when the three Mooncrystals were located in their shrines, it could protect the lands of the High Elves to the border of Eversong Woods. Without the crystals, the Magisters could maintain a protective barrier as far as Silvermoon City.
It is theoretically possible that the Blood Elves could erect that dome over Silvermoon City with the current Sunwell. What is not known is whether or not the Void Elves can bypass it with Void Rifts, as those rifts seem able to bypass other defenses.
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Though rude, seeing as Gelbin comes from a city that’s probably also a giant robot, I imagine literally any normal building is primitive to him.
Look man. I feel you. I really do. I’ve spent countless hours typing out how terrible things like Taurajo and the Purge was.
But it just doesn’t bring the factions into balance like that. The Alliance have done bad stuff, yes. But it’s just not equivalent to what the Horde has done.
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Good point, which is why I still call Void Elves the biggest bs pull in the history of WoW, and that is saying something.
… you have my attention.
No argument from me, I’ll always consider the Void Elves to have been a mistake, and I’m even slowly coming to enjoy seeing them in the game. They keep the Alliance interesting, doing terrible things with good intentions and with just enough restraint as to not go full-tilt evil. I’d even be okay with them going full-tilt evil at times.
Male orc warriors are the male human paladins of the horde.
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Keep pulling the ‘LOL! BAIT THREAD!’ as much as you want. Truth is there were a lot more legitimate targets that the Alliance could have gone after INSTEAD of a city filled with citizens and soldiers, some, if not most, of which were still skeptical on joining the Horde. It was a stupid move by stupid and evil people who just wanted to see trolls die.
Yeah, that too. I was pissed when the velves were announced but i warmed up to them.
The horde can keep their weak arcane grannies. (Who are jobbers other than valtrois and oculeth)
I’ll take my polite, slightly insane communist elves any day of the week.
You mean going after the largest and most powerful navy on Azeroth that was actively attacking Kul Tiras, and would likely launch a full scale assault on the Alliance given how well negotiations were going with the Horde?
Don’t ignore the real reasoning for the attack just to de-legitimize the other team.
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Female blood elf or male forsaken are stiff competition for that spot
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Yes, there were more immediate threats that could have been dealt with, considering that no, Zandalari are not part of the attack on Boralus, it is the Horde Navy that attacks. Zandalari were not part of the Horde by that point yet. Here is a better strategy that would have involved NOT pushing the Zandalari in the arms of the Horde and more then likely destabilize their relationship:
-Aid the Elves in reclaiming Darkshore while the Horde still desperately tries to convince the Zandalari to join them. Push forward to Orgrimmar and lay siege and occupy the city. BOOM! Done. You take away the heart of the Horde and show the Zandalari that the Horde is weak and not worthy of their help.
This is an old argument that really is never going to be fully resolved since folks refuse to acknowledge that Blizzard deliberately writes both sides differently so that there is no clear truth. Half the story says Civilians were given a way out; half the story says it was left open as a deliberate trap.
Resisted arrested, or responded to attempted incarceration with violence.
One crazed man who didn’t even represent the Alliance as a whole; he was one of the last surviving commanders, but he wasn’t the faction leader. Take that how you will.
The internment camps, to this day, are one of the most ridiculous issues players bring up. The Orcish Horde invaded and tried to wipe out an entire planet of people; they should have been put down, every last one, but the Alliance instead interned them. That is mercy.
I haven’t looked into the raid itself yet, but it is no where on the level of Teldrassil, as you’re claiming. In this case, civilians are in an active war zone, and while that isn’t exactly forgivable, it’s no where on the level of directly targeting a civilian population, as the Horde has done multiple times.
Sylvanas intentionally wanted to snuff out civilian life, and shamans fan those flames at Teldrassil to make it worse, where as here, Anduin has given a direct order not to harm civilians, and some soldiers get carried away. These are not the same things.
Yup. At this point, after Teldrassil, there is no turning back for the Horde; there should be no turning back. They’ve gone further than ever before, to deliberately target civilians with the direct intention of genocide. Sylvanas has stated, multiple times, that she won’t stop until every last Alliance soul has been raised as undead.
What did you expect when these folks sided with that faction? There will be no stopping until the Horde has been broken, and anyone who says the Alliance is unjustified in that goal, at whatever cost, is kidding themselves.
I hate the writing for this expansion exactly for that reason, but it would be even worse writing if they find ways for both sides to forgive each other and move on.
Get used to awful atrocities from both sides, because Blizzard is in it for shock value now. That doesn’t mean that the Alliance has anyway caught up to the Horde in the civilian body count.
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I puked in my mouth a little by reading that.
But well said.
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There’s literally dinosaurs and Zandalari trolls running about attacking civilians in the street during the Tiragarde invasion. They brought a huge devilsaur gatebreaker to bust down the walls. Beyond that, there’s a Zandalari Dinomancer in Stormsong, and a Zandalari Rogue in Drustvar - BOTH killing civilians. Zandalari trolls are part of the Honorbound in places. Before that, many of them participated in the attack on Anglepoint Wharf. The Zandalari absolutely were a pressing and imminent threat, fighting alongside the Horde.
We did that, while the Horde did not DESPERATELY have to convince the Zandalari of anything after aiding them for three zones, resulting in the examples listed above and more.
… so you’ll criticize the Alliance attacking Dazar’alor, because it’s a city full of civilians, but then turn around and suggest they attack Orgrimmar, a completely different city of civilians.
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That alternative strategy does not seem very… good. You leave the Zandalari alone to continue being courted by the Horde (after the Horde just saved the Zandalari several times over in the course of 110-120 questing), and at any point in that strategy, the Zandalari could either ally with the Horde, or repay their debt to the Horde.
I’m afraid the fact remains the Zandalari did participate in the attacks on Kul Tiras during the Incursion events, which means they were aiding the Horde in fighting the Alliance prior to the Battle for Dazar’alor.
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