That does sound right. I think the Night Elves cut off all trade with the Horde over the events of the Broken Front, right? Or was it the Wrathgate? I can’t remember which one, but I’m certain trade was stopped as a result of something the Horde did during Wrath of the Lich King.
[Edit]: Pretty sure the skinning Night Elves thing was done by the Twilight’s Hammer to provoke aggression between the two, and the Twilight’s Hammer then further it by attacking the meeting between the Druids, using Orcs, to further ignite conflict.
It’s never confirmed if the initial attacks are done by Garrosh, it’s heavily implied however that he did that. I believe so anyways, been a year or so since i’ve read that part.
It is however, confirmed to be the Twilight’s who killed both Tauren and Night Elf druids to try and escalate the issue, which might have backfired if Magatha hadn’t poison Garrosh blade since Cairne was beating him until the poison took effect.
Edit: The reason I say it’s heavily implied, is because Thrall doesnt act like he doesnt know who did the act in Ashenvale, he just says he wont give them to the Alliance.
Blizz makes the lore, and then forgets it, I think I pointed that out multiple times, you unyielding imbecile. Redshirt guy, nuff said.
Dazar’alor is Zandalari Land, you were attacking them.
Wrong, do the Hordeside first. They are coralled into huts, trying to keep fire elementals and corehounds at bay, I guess they should have just kneeled down and allowed the Dark Iron to kill them.
In real life, I say both instances are wrong, so even in RL I am more consistent then you. Again, I am not a hypocrite.
I will focus on you, I guess, seeing how most others here are incapable of bringing actual arguments. You said the High King ORDERED them to not kill civilians. But the fact is, Anduin has no control, Genn and Jaina do as they please.
You can make a argument that the Furious Merchants became combatants the moments they took up arms, okay fine. But when civilians are herded into their homes and cornered by fire elementals and corehounds, unable to escape with the rest, that is wrong. They don’t fight because they want, they fight because that is the only option how they MAY survive. And those are being burned alive by fire-elementals and ripped apart by corehounds, not pleasant as you seem to let on.
And does it? I seem to remember that Teldrassil was imperfect and did little in this whole balance spiel in comparison to Nordrassil and them, correct me if I am wrong.
I think the idea is that the Twilights did the skinning on their own.
When asked if he knows, he says ‘I have no proof, but I have my suspicions.’ His refusal is based on the idea that they should be found and judged by the Horde.
Teldrassil is bad because the Alliance was minding it’s own business and then the Horde invade almost all Night Elf lands, attempt to kill the most powerful mortal who’s saved the world countless times, and burned the city to the ground filled with civilians.
Dazar’alor was a calculated military strike during a war on a nation heavily in bed with the Horde. Half of the Horde leaders have been in the city since the start of the expac, the Horde is using Zandalar to launch attacks and stealth incursions, the Horde has been assisting Zandalar with it’s own issues, the Zandalari fleet is being used to gather Azerite from island expeditions, and the scepter that was stolen from Kul’tiras was being held in the Zandalari treasury. The mission was the destroy the fleet, one of the main reasons we go to these islands. And to separate the Zandalari and the Horde by killing the King and hoping the situation that would put a civilization already on the ropes in a place where they wouldn’t want to be involved in a global war.
We do, because they’re relevant to the Kul Tiran story due to Lady Ashvane. But if we go just by what Blizzard bothers to show us, the Zandalari empire consists of a city, period. Just a city, and a bunch of ships that seem to have come from nowhere, since there’s no infrastructure to support them. I don’t think what we see in-game can be taken to represent the entirety of Zandalari resources, because if it is, we’re not seeing merely an empire in decline, but an empire that’s already fallen, with the final few survivors eking out a living in a once-great city.
For all the strife in the Zandalari storyline, I get the feeling they’re supposed to be a still-viable society, even if they’re suffering from Zul’s treachery and Rastakhan’s recent poor leadership. The problem is that Blizzard is terrible at showing anything outside of a very narrow story they want to tell; they don’t bother with world building if there isn’t going to be a quest set there. So it’s impossible to tell how weak Zandalar is, canonically, because if we go strictly by what we see, they shouldn’t have any ships (no shipyards, no lumber mills), or a massive stone city (no food production, no quarry). They should be small tribes of hunter-gatherers living in huts.
Oh yeah i do think we forget their logic for killing Malfurion is that he is a hero lol.I mean yeah, we hate him (because the writing makes it REALLY, REALLY HARD NOT TO AFTER LEGION) but he’s a lot better for the world than, say, Sylvannas.
I hate the whole lore situation around Cataclysm, The Shattering, Tides of War, and War Crimes, personally. Gets annoying to track what happens there versus in game at times.
That’s what you’ve been consistently doing. I don’t feel the need to insult you.
Oh man, thats the main reason i hate War of Thorns so much. The Novellas arent GOOD but they’re way better than in-game at least. But it’s still so inconsistent in some moments: even in-game is inconsistent.
I wouldn’t. Even if they had weapons they’re still technically civilians. Untrained and inexperienced. Mind you that’s an assumption, but I’m comfortable with it. The Zandalari are a fairly well developed society, and developed societies require a large and strong civilian base to support it. Armies are small by comparison.
Having not done the raid yet (I haven’t done Uldir either, shame on me), I can’t say I knew that. Thank you for sharing. It’s certainly not right, and I’ll take this as another case of the Alliance’s greying morality. The Dark Irons and Void Elves are doing well, bringing some grey to the Alliance. It’s a shame each act is performed with little disclaimers letting us know they’re not being as bad as they could.
Again, I was not aware. That said, this certainly looks horrible from the Horde perspective, which is good, it should serve to drive Horde players to want to fight the Alliance. I think the issue is no one is going to describe the battle of Dazar’alor as a, “Genocide,” against the Zandalari.
To be honest, I’m not quite certain either. The World Trees were created to attempt to prevent corruption, and if Vordrassil in Northrend is any indication, they weren’t the most successful experiment. Nordrassil was created to place a cap over the Well of Eternity and cycle it’s energies safely into the world, thus nourishing the planet.
Teldrassil was made with the vain purpose of restoring the Night Elves’ immortality, but was in truth a ploy by the Nightmare to strengthen it’s power. Once the tree was cleansed it ceased to be an avenue for the Nightmare to spread. Somehow I don’t think it’s destruction will strengthen the Nightmare, but if the writers went in that direction, I don’t think I’d be surprised either.
Each of which would have fought the Horde had they attempted to invade Teldrassil and would have probably staged a uprising at some point.
Let us see how that goes:
Zandalari Market Goer: I know you are currently burning me with your fire elementals, but I wish to surrender is mauled by a corehound.
Yes, great plan.
You know, the Civilian Night Elves could have just surrendered… Oh waaait… they were never given the option…
No it isn’t. Just because I enjoy killing pixels does not mean I enjoy killing people.
Deal with it.
I have nothing to say against this, I largely agree.
We come in and see several Zandalari civilians running, others being pushed into their stalls by fire-elementals and core-hounds trying to fight for their lives. We save those few, but considering how big Zandalar is and how many enemy forces there were, it makes me wonder how much those people didn’t care to ‘minimize civilian casualties’. Also considering that Grong is just running around, randomly rampaging around.
Tbf it’s implied in Chronicles 1 that the smaller trees worked to stop the spread of Saronite through Kalimdor and EK: but Vordrassil legit just dug its roots into a mound of it lol. BUT that is also only the purpose of Andrassil: Teldrassil existed because Fandral was a toxic piece of trash, and Shaladrassil… kind of just exists.
Val’sharah is kinda where blizzard threw in random night elf lore without realizing the context of said lore.