A blue post, how quaint. Yes, that is like me asking a GM about lore, ever noticed that Red-shirt guy has pwned Blizzard employees on lore before? So just because you quote him, not impressed.
Is Tyrande and Genn no longer part of the Alliance because of Darkshore?
The Kaldorei didn’t attack you.
The Civilians didn’t attack you, unlike the goblins and Zandalari.
So… A morally reprehensible act is no longer moral reprehensible when it takes place in a fictional universe? We as readers/watchers/players are not supposed to feel anything about the horrific act that was Teldrassil? What is the point of establishing heroes and villains in any form of entertainment then?
Darth Vader isn’t evil guys! The destruction of Alreraan was not bad at all! It wasn’t real so I shouldn’t care about it!
Yes… People who work at Blizzard make the lore… Not your trash headcanon… We play the game to follow the lore, not make up our own… Go to the World’s End Tavern…
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I mean historically the Night Elves kinda just protect their land. Even used to give Orcs lumber, when they didnt really need anything from the orcs in return for said trade.
Also i dont particularly like blizzard’s writing, and GMs are fallible, but as we literally have nothing else to go off for said topic…
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Now I’m actually curious as to when you mean, because I’m not aware of any time this happened.
No because Genn basically just told him to shut up and let the grownups talk while he sulked in the corner.
Really? I guess I only fought ghosts out there in Darkshore, I mean, they weren’t defending their city… much like the Zandalari were.
Zandalari only attacked after the Dark Iron forced them into the corner, most if not all tried to run, again do the raid before you spout nonsense.
Nope, I care literally not one iota about virtual lives because they are virtual, they don’t exist, they mean nothing to me. It is a lot easier to just say: Screw them, they had it coming! Then saying that in RL to a real person.
I feel like we’ve wildly gotten off topic.
To try and bring it around back to where it began, I’ll just say, I think the diminished outrage over Dazar’alor (because there is outrage, mostly over Rastakan’s death), is a result of the Burning of Teldrassil. In the end it doesn’t really matter what the Alliance does. The Horde has committed to the kind of act of violence and malevolence that it has not been driven to since the days the Burning Legion was manipulating it.
Which I’ll find slightly poetic (but mostly exasperating) when we learn the Horde has, again, been manipulated by some ominous and unknown dark cosmic force with it’s own agenda that certainly does NOT have the welfare of the Horde in mind.
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Is he a literal writer? Is he? Cause I just stated that GMs and the like sometimes don’t know their own lore, just watch Red Shirt schooling them, but you seemed to conveniently leave that part out.
Ah okay so it was mentioned in The Shattering. Night Elves give Orcs lumber, Orcs just want more than they are given. Orcs actually had a lot of trade going on prior to WoW, in the 4 year time gap. A lot of their food came from trade with Theramoore for example, which was what Thrall intended. It was meant to teach them diplomacy in a world that they really had not yet adapted to.
Edit: They stopped the trade after the Wrathgate tho.
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Thank you, anyhow, my point is still that if there is no outrage of Dazar’alor, then there shouldn’t be over Teldrassil either, either both are bad for killing civilians, or killing civilians and both are permitted, choosing one or the other is hypocritical.
He literally worked for Blizzard… That was his job… Admit they make the lore… Just admit it…
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He USED to work? Lol, nah fam, you are stretching.
Teldrassil directly targeted civilians ordered by the war chief. DaZar alor was ordered no civilian deaths by high king two very different things
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Just before Cata. One reason why Garrosh invaded Ashenvale was because the Night Elves stopped trading with them after the Twilight’s Hammer (disguised as Horde assassins) killed some druids. This is also the reason why Carine challenged Garrosh to a duel.
So… You were wrong again?
Darkshore is Kaldorei land. You were attacking them.
No, they took up arms in the defense of their city, which makes them combatants, not civilians.
Then that is why you fail to see why this is wrong. In the context of this word, those virtual lives are real people.
Dazar’alor admittedly didnt have much forces left due to a diversion and the Civil War quest saying over half the population went with Zul, but Teldrassil was supposed to be unprotected by this point I believe. That was going out of the way to kill both a ton of innocent, and a world tree Ysera and Alexstrazsa blessed once it was purified of Xavius’ corruption.
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The main issue is, the Alliance consciously made an effort to minimize the casualties during the attack on Dazar’alor, while Sylvanas decided to destroy an entire city and two addition settlements indiscriminately.
There’s also the psychological/emotional difference that, the Night Elves who were burned alive never had the choice to face their attackers and to try and defend themselves. It doesn’t help that burning alive is one of the most painful, and frightening, ways to die. By contrast the Zandalari Civilians have the ability to try and fight against the Alliance (which is why they are killed, self-defense), which lends a certain dignity and heroism to their deaths. They probably also died quicker and less painfully than burning alive.
On top of all of that, there is also the issue that the burning of Teldrassil didn’t just commit a form of genocide against the Night Elven race, but also harmed Azeroth by destroyed a World Tree. Considering Azeroth is dying, the ramifications of a World Tree being destroyed are probably not good (though remains unexplored).
Yes… He started in December 2015… He made the post in August 2016… He left in September 2018… Some months ago…
Admit Blizzard makes the lore… Admit it… Get your trash headcanon out of here…
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Careful, Orc Warriors have headcannon so strong they can kill you IRL in but a thought.
Thanks, lots of my knowledge of that timeframe largely comes from story overviews and stuff, so I appreciate when someone helps out like this.
I was aware of that part of the picture, I simply wasn’t aware of any trading being involved.
To clarify, the Twilights (disguised as Horde forces) killed said Druids because the Night Elves stopped trading with the Horde. (Edit) The Druids met to try and bring peace to the factions because Garrosh just went into Ashenvale’s border with the Warsong during peace, skinned NE’s alive and hung them from the trees like banners, and Thrall was refusing to give up the ones who did it to the Alliance. Then the Twilight saw some free real estate and wanted to escalate conflict.
Hamuul Runetotem was among them, who sent word after he lived to Cairne, which is why he Mak’gora’d Garrosh.