Top 3?
Or not even top 5?
DPS is still fine, tank is absolutely ruined. Like bottom of the deepest pit ruined.
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Closer to where they belong as a hybrid class.
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In terms of PVE they will likely still be top 5 because of the way the vanilla game client favours duel wield melee dps as they scale harder and harder. Tank shaman in all regards was killed off in PvE because of how strong it was in PvP but dps enhance is arguably looking even stronger than before.
PVE DPS will still pump, arguably better than before because of new runes.
Tank is now by far worst tank and Melee PVP will now be worst melee PVP by far. The 90% rockbiter nerf is silly. Could have made rockbiter only add att power on MH / two hand only and reduced damage by some % while using WotE. As it stands they killed PVE tanking and PVP in one swing of the nerf hammer.
The devs are trying to push flametongue on the offhand without addressing that flametongue is a very bad ability in classic. If they want to make it viable they would need to add the wrath version that can crit, has good scaling, gives spellpower, and gives spellcrit. And even then windfury might still be better. Their pre-existing notion that WF/FT is what should be used is being pushed by deleting the better options.
I wouldn’t call 177 passive uncapped aoe damage each second with Overcharged rune before mental dex spellpower buff absolutely ruined
Yea, AoE / dungeon tanking is going to be good. Single target threat is gutted with a shield since rockbiter nerf.
Should have made rockbiter main hand / 2 hand only and not have touched AP. If they bump WotE or rockbiter threat modifier, won’t be an issue.
Shaman tank were out dpsing most dps. Capping if you think they didn’t need to be struck down.
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I really don’t think a reduction in attack power is going to really “kill” tank shaman. People were bringing ONLY tank shamans to dungeon grinding because they had the best aoe and the best survivability and the best threat.
How many timea did you auto attack a mob in Cath or Arms as a tank shaman pulling ten mobs at once? Compared to molten blast or fire nova?
And in raids: tank shamans, using a shield, still held threat trivially against every other class (except other enhance shamans).
Tank shaman will be fine. This is a gross overreaction.
it’s still a 100+ passive single target dps increase for one rune. of course you guys won’t be pushing p2 threat as it shouldn’t… all other tanks struggle a bit to get threat, maybe shamans should get in line with them
shamans will still be insane in pve and pvp, better than 90% of classes.
Oh I’m fine with nerfing DW tanking damage a bit, just shouldn’t mess with single target shield shaman threat.
Should have made rockbiter MH only, not killed it’s attack power, and flat reduced damage with WotE and increased threat to compensate (similar to warrior def stance) in my opinion. Could have then fine tuned balance of the class for PVP and PVE.
This killed DW tanking completely and made us back into complete glass cannons like we have been for 20 years instead of letting us be sort of tankish area bruisers in PVP.
as it should… warriors shouldnt be allowed to DW tank as well
Why? Fury prot was the go-to in classic for a reason. Single target threat is king.
Real talk, nobody WANTS fury prot or dw tanking to be a thing. Nobody wants tanks to just be dps in a different stance. Everbody is sore that none of the tanks in classic (now or in era) had a reason to use their tank talent tree. That’s why blizz buffed the hell out of shield slam just now.
I look forward to tanking with a shield again without being a burden on the group.
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because class fantasy should matter more than a crude vanilla balancing that made a non intended gameplay to be better than a bulky tank, there is a reason that when the game fleshed out, DW tanking were never a thing anymore for classes that can use shields
classic still had it because streamers pushed the NO CHANGES agenda and then quit when they saw that nostalgy alone don’t matter when the game is very crude
and now the same people who kept repeating NO CHANGES, are hyping for a classic+
The sky is not falling for shaman. The nerfs needed to happen. I think shaman will be fine after these changes.
If I had to guess top 3 dps
hopefully bottom where they belong
purge bots should be happy they arent banned for botting