Where do the Azj-Kahet nerubians actually come from?

You are wrong and have bad taste in worldbuilding

Hope this helps

it doesn’t, and it doesn’t make me inclined to think you have good taste in worldbuilding. shadowlands must’ve been great for you, it was also full of bad retcons. mmh-mmh yum, perfect for your reading level.

I think the first point here may be incorrect, as the Onyx Arms in the Museum quests from Ar’syn use dwarven/titan inspired models - their name and style probably in reference to Obsidian Destroyers, Tol’vir constructs subjugated by the Aqir in Azj-Aqir - it’s a bit unclear on the timeline, but according to Chronicles, this is post Titan stuff, the Aqir ‘awakened’ by Old God Minion Kith’ix (After he was unsealed by a troll using Xalatath, Blade of the Black Empire). They are then broken apart by the Troll empire. Ar’syn is also sort of vague as to which enemies were denying the Nerubians their home.

I also don’t think this disproves the point you make in #2, as Aqir also have several forms (one being similar to the sage, and the Goliath, while considered a beast, lines up with the Lord morph.)

No.

Here is yet more evidence where the Azeroth Memory explicitly stating that the Nerubian Queen rebelled against the Old Gods explicitly

https://x.com/BaalTheWarlock/status/1840533982754099564

The Mantid act like they were around during the time of Y’Shaarj themselves so it would seem they are not Aqir descendants anymore than Azj-Kahet Nerubians.

How the Azjol Nerub Nerubians arose from the Aqir is anyone’s guess though considering the Aqir look like a cross between K’thir and Nerubians I would say the Old Gods withdrew their blessing once they realized an Aqir group was doing the same thing as the Nerubians(abandoning the Old Gods) causing said group of Aqir to revert to Nerubians themselves.

The simplest answer is that this is a hard retcon of the timeline and now all the bug kingdoms were born from rebellion against the Black Empire and the Troll-Aqir War was just that, against the Aqir (and Nraqi)

This gives the groundwork for a possible retcon-reveal that the reason why the Titans didn’t exterminate all the bug kingdoms is that the bug kingdoms sided with the Titans during the Ordering

And thus, during the Troll-Aqir War, the bug kingdoms sided with the Trolls against their old enemies

But that requires Blizzard to see narrative opportunity and not fail

Or just the Nerubians.

Ahn’Qiraj was C’thuns prison before the Aqir took control and freed their master. Turning into the Qiraji as a reward. And before you say “it will retcon chronicles, therefore it is good”, this lore has been around long before chronicles.

“Similarly, the aqir that travelled south ransacked and overthrew a titan research station near Uldum, renaming themselves the qiraji and calling their new home Ahn’Qiraj.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20100731030708/http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626575587

Bit hard to make a kingdom that was born out of conquest before the original place was constructed. Unless Blizzard is now trying to make it that the Qiraji were the prison guards of C’thun like the Tol’vir and the Anubisaths were. However they were later corrupted by C’thun. Personally I prefer the former, having yet another “good guys corrupted by Old Gods to become bad guys” is getting old.

oh look, that link also gave us the Nerubians were former Aqir that were pushed into Northrend by the Trolls in the Troll Aqir war. Didn’t you say that this piece of lore only came from Chronicles vol 1 originally? :open_mouth:

The Mantid worship Y’shaarj and follow him without question. Hell the Mantid also swarmed when beckoned by N’zoth in BFA. I doubt the Mantid would at some point rebel against their Old God masters only to serve them again without question.

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Seems more like this was a memory of when Queen Neferess decided to rejected the Black Empire’s offer in BfA. That killing one Herald may not have been the end of it and probably pissed N’zoth enough to send an army to try to punish her and her people.

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i mean tbh this degree of guesswork and the inability to trust the narrative established is just why the retcon we got for the nerubians was actually pretty bad. introducing complexity or nuance to either them or the black empire didn’t need to happen by brute-forcing rewrites

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It seems like there’s a sliding scale of Old God exaltation amongst the aqir descendants.

The qiraji/silithid seem to emphatically worship their old masters directly. Their architecture even shares the most similarities with the Black Empire out of anyone else.

The mantid worship the Old Gods once removed-- only the paragons of the klaxxi seemed to be aware of their true nature. Most mantid just worship their Empress (who seems to serve as the middle manager of the Old Gods). But they’re overall far more focused on their warrior culture rather than proselytizing about the void.

The nerubians obviously don’t like the Old Gods at all to the point of active rebellion, and seem to take their independence as a point of cultural pride. Their queen mercs a n’raqi in the middle of city central for thousands of nerubians to see.

But we don’t know if it was always this way.

The lore on the Black Empire is super nebulous. Did aqir mindlessly serve their masters, or were the n’raqi required to keep them in check?

An important fact to keep in mind is that the aqir were born of the void, but MANY races on Azeroth regularly wield diametrically opposed forces. Humans, beings created from the titans, can wield disorder magic. Tauren, beings created by life/nature, can wield death magic. With this in mind, would it make sense for being born of the void who despise the void to wield light magic out of pure unadulterated spite?

Anyway that’s my argument for why nerubians should have paladins and everyone in this thread should agree with me.

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