I wonder what the Aqir think of the nerubians?
Also, I know they make reference to the mantid, but do the Nerubians ever mention the Qiraji?
In the threads I mention and other books that are about Nerubians war theory, they make a point of saying how the Aqir tried to control them and they had to actively resist their attacks, and how both the Mantid and Qiraji are terrible at war because they just mindlessly throw countless soldiers at any issue while Nerubian society values each member of their society.
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Lovecraft never inserted Machiavellian political scheming into his Mythos stories. At least concerning any of the godlike figures in the Mythos. Any material with ideas like that are post-Lovecraft, by other authors.
The entire idea behind Lovecraftian horror is it’s something that you or I cannot comprehend. You and I know the nature of political bickering, scheming and backstabbing. How it happens, why it happens, that people with discernible personalities have to be involved, etc. It’s not alien or unknown, it’s entirely human. Intrinsically anti-Lovecraft.
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Yes, the other authors are a fundamental part of the Lovecraft mythos. Arguably, Lovecraft became what it is in large part because of that expansion of narrative and thematic diversity.
So here we are. The lore changed.
I like this change. You do not. There is nothing more to discuss lol
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I’m guessing the Nerubians must have gone from Azjol-Nerub to Azj-Kahet like during the Troll or Night Elf Era. Odd we have Spider People in the South instead of being in the North. What’s next is the Bugs from Ahn’qiraj going to be in the North, East, or West soon in the Future Expansions soon?
Crazy bugs actually wove this tapestry of my heroic conquest while I was still killing them-
Taste like king crab, by the way.
Sorry, playing in Azj Kahet sets my inner monolog to Zapp Brannigan mode.
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You guess wrong lol
The new in-game lore, for the fourth time, is that Azjkahet was born during the Black Empire by a rebellion organized by Anubizek
I mean, lovecraftian cults did have political power in his stories. They did have more complexity than “they’re just monsters”.
Even the old gods, outer gods, have their own rules and what not that man wasn’t supposed to understand. I the Black empire is just the more fleshy ones and lower level characters than the actual gods.
The cults did. Not the monsters themselves.
edit: the Old Gods are not “lower level” anything. For all intents and purposes, they ARE the Void. They are literally the coalesced energy from Void Lords, sent into physical reality and given shape, unless that was ALSO retconned at some point.
I like the idea that the Titans pulled revisionist history on the Black Empire and completely erased any evidence of their advancements.
I mean, the Black Empire is still objectively awful. Their entire society was based on sacrificing people to gigantic meat tumors. The nerubians had good reasons to reject the Old Gods. But that doesn’t mean it had to be a mindless hivemind.
It’s actually okay to have evil races or groups in fantasy. It works just fine for the Old Gods to be evil. Anyone actually proposing “Titan propaganda” shouldn’t be trusted to tie their own shoes safely, let alone put forward creative ideas or story feedback.
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Hmm well I see. Past Ancient Lore so far can be bit confessing at times.
So the new lore is the split occurs far earlier, thats interesting
Anyone who thinks that the existence of propaganda on one side completely negates the violent sadistic evil tendencies of the other side, should probably reconsider their grasp on reading comprehension.
It’s possible for a conflict to happen between bad guys and worse guys. The idea that fantasy is only allowed to have black and white conflicts between “The Objectively Goodest Goody Always Morally Correct Two-Shoeses” versus “The League of Compulsive Puppy Kickers” shtick is painfully bland, and I don’t understand why people are so adamant on keeping their fiction as nuanced as plain white bread.
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For some reason people want to have their morality spoonfed to them, forbid they make moral judgements on their own
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Warcraft as a franchise, let alone WoW, has never ever been about grey vs black morality. The first 2 games were literally good humans vs evil orcs. The third game was good everybody vs evil demons and undead.
Up until Shadowlands and the mental sickness that was “hurr durr Chronicles is Titan propaganda”, Warcraft has never particularly dealt with ambiguous morality as a primary theme for a whole expansion outside of the Ebon Blade, and even that was just for Wrath. Even when the Ebon Blade story picked back up in Legion they went to being cartoon villains, no moral ambiguity.
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Except it has existed before Chronicles.
I gotta say, this is a very reductive and inaccurate take on Warcraft 3. Maiev? Grom? Kael’thas? Sylvanas? Illidan?
Warcraft has ALWAYS dealt with ambiguous morality. The factions themselves are pretty awful - the entire Eastern Kingdoms/Kalimdor story consists of murdering hundreds of indigenous and often sapient creatures. The Alliance and Horde regularly commit atrocities against each other, and both factions have historically been full of xenophobic warmongers (at least until characters like Fandral, Daelin, Magatha, and Garrosh bit the dust).
You’re right that Blizzard isn’t great at addressing this as a theme. But that’s an issue with the writing and execution.
I was never referring to the retconning of Chronicle - I’m specifically referring to Odyn’s revisionist history. Edicts of the Prime Designate, which is very consistent with Odyn’s character.
Let’s not forget that the Titans implanted a device designed to exterminate all life on Azeroth, and we’ve known about that since 2008.
But Algalon and the Forge of Origination are only designed to kill all life on Azeroth if it gets corrupted by the void!
The Burning Legion and all of its demons exist for the exact same reason. Only they’re proactive about it.
Maybe these Aqiri proto-nerubians became true nerubians over time as they delved deeper into their splicer magics which allowed them to transform themselves into new forms. Seems like the Aqiri can transform to whatever form is needed by the old gods and their leaders.
The Nerubians probably didn’t just in one generation become Nerubian. They began as Aqir and slowly transformed by their independence and severing their connection with their dark masters, but lost the ability over time to create new forms as they lost the gene splicer technique until Xal’atath offered them ascension forms.
tbh it didn’t need to be given new, mid-tier lore at best at the expense of the older, pretty decent lore that got rewritten. like, that retcons break continuity doesn’t make then all bad ipso facto, but we didn’t really get better lore. blizz just wanted to make the nerubians the baddies for this expansion, and so seemingly wrote whatever they wanted around it