Where are the Ret buffs?

Nope.

My sham can wreck any ret any time in a 1v1. Any sub in Classic can wreck a ret 1v1.

Find me a single ret anywhere in the world who can take out Pshero 1v1 in a fair and even fight. Not talking a fight where the ret comes in while Pshero is afk or just got done with a mob fight and is super low HP. Im talking worlds best ret vs Pshero.

Rets are so bad right now that even with they get the Legendary ax, they still will be near bottom in most content now.

Rets are terrible. About as bad as it gets. They are 20 out of 20 on many meters most times.

Eleventh in Single Target Sims at Max iLvl. Middle of the pack in Mythic+ Logs. Rets in the top 50 in Solo Shuffle, 2v2 and 3v3.

Rets aren’t nearly as bad as you think they are and that’s not even getting into all the Utility they bring.

Link your Ret so we can compare and see who is better.

They are typical forum trolls, jump in to topics with no real usable information and wild opinions that have no real base in reality.

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it is actually a fact that rets have access to the following utility-based abilities that i listed above:

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Least delusional ret player. Did they just forgot that since the rework they have been gods? Or is this just another ret player crying how he’s not one shotting bosses?

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Suuuure, keep thinking that, all that “amazing” utility will get you far.

Gods in what, your imagination? Ret was top DPS for one week after rework, then nerfed, and fell down a couple places and were one of the top 5 DPS for a month, after that they dropped to one of the bottom DPS for the 2nd tier and now here we are on the 3rd, once again bottom DPS. Gods must be pretty weak in your imagination.

A good middle of the pack would be fine for retri. As he is the BM of melees difficulty wise

The havoc Demon Hunters ate them :frowning:

Better luck next time :smiling_imp:

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Have you played Fury Warrior recently?

This. Soooo much this.

Don’t see much difference. Ret after rework gotten simpler as well.

I think the point he’s trying to make is you’re talking like you’re a world first mythic raider but you’re posting on a level 10 instead of your ret and you arent/havent posted anything to show your skill, which from what it looks like they asked for at least a couple times.

Calling out on others claiming ret is fine doesn’t make me a world first raider.
I called out on the DK claiming that ret:

Which is bullcrap.

And the DH which is a LFR champion bashing ret players:

Because i can’t, my main is on the EU server.

Nobody asked me about my main though, they claimed i don’t do dps because of me, not because of my spec.

Since you’re wanting to see it, this is my main:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormscale/rayzens#difficulty=5
Armory:
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormscale/rayzens

As you can see it’s the same name i have on this char and there is only 1 paladin that has this name, so it’s not like i’m hiding.

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Okay so now that we have established that - why are you complaining about ret when it’s clear you are a prime example that rets can and do excel?

From your parses you seem to do anywhere between very high above average and have several times gotten top 5% or higher in performance. What is the issue?

Trust me when I say I get the idea that “just because I am good with X class doesn’t mean X class is good” I make this same argument with Elemental.

But Ret doesn’t suffer the same issue. It’s easy to be “pretty good” with ret, and its easy to be “really good” with ret, and while I dont have your gear (or likely the drive to improve) I would bet it’s easier to be excellent with ret than it is with say - elemental.

Ret might not be perfect right now, but it’s in a much better place than a lot of specs, and when you look at dps rankings I would be willing to bet you’re only looking at those 95% parses and not the class as a whole.

The current elemental build is one of the easiest, most brain dead specs in the game though.

Because it doesn’t matter that i am nearing the CAP of my POTENTIAL as a ret paladin.
It matters that i am CAPPED because i am a ret paladin.

Ret is LAST on DPS, what is hard to understand? (aug had broken hooks that were just fixed, so they’ll be on the rise)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#dataset=90&sample=7

When you look at how a class is doing you need to see it’s potential, where it caps out.
Anyone can go and hop on anything and get blue parses at 50%, so it’s irrelevant to balance on that.

Also funny that you should mention elemental, when it’s near the TOP of the meters.

What needs to be balanced is how well a spec can do relative to other specs.
Ret is the only DPS spec of the paladin class, if i want to DPS i can’t just switch to another spec of the class, cause there is none, so the spec itself must do good dmg, not be last.

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There are easy builds for every class, and then there are good builds for every class. Sometimes those things overlap and you get BM hunters who are the most brain dead spec who just blast.

Yeah, that’s elemental with the build their tier set forced them into. Braindead.

You did exactly what I said you were doing and linked the top 90% in mythic only. My bad I said 95% and you posted 90%.

Now show what average (aka most players) are doing with those specs.

You know only around 5-7% of players get AOTC? Not a hard stretch to understand that even less get CE or even a single Mythic boss kill.

Once again proving my point that people at the very top can’t see the forest for the trees.

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What??1!!
Nerf Ret Paladins right meow!