I think they should give 1 minute wings to druids. I would love more DPS CDs.
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You realize Paladins have been middle to bottom of the barrel for the last decade or two, with the except of 10.0.7 for like 3 months, right?
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Ret, WW, and shadow could all use a bump considering these classes only have 1 dps spec so if itâs bad there isnât anything to change to.
Granted every spec in the game can do about 99% of the content so it doesnât matter all that much at a macro level.
And all 3 specs have good tank or healing specs to play if that is your jam.
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I agree, nerf rogue demo lock havoc dh and bm hunter while youâre at it, especially the first thing all 3 of its specs are ahead of every other class in the game in mythic atm.
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I took them, theyâre mine
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Like itâs not bad enough the gap between our AoE and ST builds are so wide. We could use some overall PvE buffs, too.
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Dont forget Battle Rez
Mate, people want all of the utility AND top dmg. Win, Win, Win.
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Tell me you donât play the game without actually telling me you donât play the game, or the spec for that matter. Ret does NOT have infinite utility or utility that even MATTERS or is considered when bringing them to a raid. Please stop spreading misinformation.
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The only reason to consider this argument is that protection exists, but even then you want 2 paladins in the raid for raidbuffs. .
you sure?
what about this?
battle rez is quite useful in all content.
in addition to all the other utility they have:
that wake of ashes stun is quite handy in Black Rook Hold and Darkheart Thicket, both of which are dungeons in the current mythic plus pool.
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ret has very good utility. but other specs can have good utility and good damage. so the utility arguement falls short.
rets issues are talent design based. mindlessly buffing it isnt gonna fix anything or do anything impactful cept potentially cause more problems down the line
WW just needs a rework to make it scale better with stats, but itâs needed that rework for several expansions now. Kind of doubt itâll ever come.
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Yeah, positive.
Many classes have battle rez, a lot of them even instant casts, they also all do more damage than Ret Paladin, so Iâm not quite sure what your argument is here.
Weird, RWF raiders NEED these buffs yet they didnât bother bringing a Ret for either of these. Holy Paladin brings Aura Mastery so itâs devo is superior, and Ret Aura can be brought by any Paladin spec.
So far in Mythic raiding, only 6/9 havenât seen any situation where you need to cheese anything.
Single Target spells that literally no one cares about. These arenât even considered when forming a group.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA nope.
Used on one fight out of 9 and itâs not needed just removes an almost insignificant amount of damage.
Survivability is not utility.
Yes that once again Single Target spell, and stun is almost always the first thing to DR in any form of content.
Not useful at all in raid, and has 2 dungeons it does anything in, but this also DRs other stuns so its not quite as useful as it could be.
Everything you talk about is Single Target or useful in the tiniest amount of places, none of it matters, it wonât noticeably impact a group for better or worse, especially in raid. Battle Rez may get you invited to some M+ and thatâs about it.
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survivability is an asset to a group⊠ret is a dps class that no one needs to worry about or use external cooldowns on. thats extremely valuable.
if you dislike ret paladin so much, why do you play one?
i play ret paladin because i like how they feel to play. they have 20+ yard range on all of their abilities except melee/crusading strikes, they have 4 very strong defensives to cycle through.
last season i literally two manned third boss of Halls of Infusion on tyrannical 23 with a tank when healer and other dps died about 30 seconds into the fight. i kept myself alive quite easily.
being able to take up two charges of divine steed without having to give up reduced cooldown on bubble feels very good.
i wouldnt say ret dmg is bad either⊠they have VERY strong single target and extremely solid AOE padding⊠yeah, they cant go hybrid as well as say an enhance shaman but when you need one or the other, they are a very solid choice and they do those jobs very well.
maybe you should play another class if you are so unhappy with retâs position in the current season? i love ret.
Ret has a large player base, it seems like they want all of us to lay the game down, they have succeeded.
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The title of this thread:
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Done! 
Didnât ret get this major overhaul and ran rampant at the top by a large margin already this expansion?? Stop being greedy
Overhaul? Yes. At the top by a large margin? No.
I find myself doing perfectly fine in dungeons, but I do pull 1000% more aggro than anyone else regardless if im doing double their dps or half their dps.