It makes me think that someone on the team doesn’t understand the assignment.
I recall the mode was supposed to leave a player feeling overpowered. I recall that the mode was supposed to just be silly, unbalanced fun.
Then I read about changes to tinker sockets how how their damage is being reduced and it leaves me scratching my head. “Huh?”
My guy.
The community came up with the term “Turtle Farmers” to describe people more powerful than them in a casual game mode.
I think they called them, “froggers.”
I’m referring to the powers. Not degenerate farming.
Oh, right, froggers.
That’s exactly my point, people going as far as far as to call other players froggers and casuals gatekeeping other casuals. Toxic casuals really are the worst part of an MMO community.
I don’t really follow Remix, but I doubt most players who are playing want to have to play a healer spec to do content efficiently. People want to play the way they want to play and have the way they play work well… which I think is actually respectable.
They are calling anyone a frogger now as long as someone has more powerful gear than them.
Also, killing regular mobs in the open world is abusing the game systems and getting loot from said monsters is expoiting.
Now the funny part in the Remix saga was actually today when a blue post came out saying that the gear upgrade costs are not planned to be reduced. This caused like half a dozen of the whining brats to loudly announce their departure in the Remix sub-forum as if they were in an airport and people needed to be advised that they are leaving.
It is.
But here’s the thing.
Being overpowered and unbalanced is fun.
Killing frogs for over 9000 hours is not fun.
The vast majority of the playerbase will choose the easier way over the fun way of doing things.
So when they leave “degenerate gameplay” around that’s an easy but boring way to get what you want, players will do it, they will feel bored and it won’t be fun.
But then if you remove that “degenerate gameplay” from the game, the players who didn’t get the chance to do it will feel like they were robbed of an opportunity to get the thing they wanted easy mode.
But if you nerf the results of that “degenerate gameplay”, then the players who did it feel like they went through all that unfun grinding for nothing, and they were punished for playing the game as it was made.
(When I say “degenerate gameplay”, I mean “gameplay that is degenerate”, not “gameplay of degenerates”. It’s the gameplay itself that degenerated, not the people engaging in it.)
Ultimately there’s no right answer to this problem.
Blizzard has to pick their poison.
Significantly reduce upgrade costs of gear and refund the difference to players who have already upgraded. EZ clap. Problem solved.
The only reason it was ever an issue in the first place was because of how ridiculously stingy Blizzard has been with bronze in comparison to the cost of gear upgrades through normal play. Which then became a bigger issue when Blizzard decided to hotfix nerf frog farm out of existence and leave everyone who didn’t spend the weekend poopsocking frogs with no way to close the power gap between the haves and have nots.
But are they really casuals?
My definition of a causal player is one that does not take the game seriously, as in they play in a relaxed and unconcerned manner.
These toxic players are using phrases like ‘behind the curve’, ‘catch-up’ and ‘getting ahead’ which tells me they are not casuals, they are part of the hypercompetitve 'endgame is the real game ’ crowd that take the game way too seriously.
Personally, after reading hundreds of their posts, I would put them in the ‘tryhard’ category.
I fired up my main druid on retail to compare…yeah…even at 335ilvl we are WAY overpowered by comparison to my 450ish retail druid that is set up pretty much the same as my Event druid.
when im taking down two rares simultaneously and solo…yeah…overpowered lol
lol Toxic PLAYERS are the worst part of an MMO community.
Being casual or not has nothing to do with personality issues from some being projected out onto the rest of the player base.
Actually thats a VERY good word for it.
I call them ‘wannabes’, have been, because its clear they aint up to snuff with actual good end game players, but they think they are and yeah…trying hard to prove themselves to everyone else.
They think they play better than they do, so they cant get into any good end game group, but they just love coming down to leveling dungeons with those level 14 characters to use the bad math in the game to try to showboat, but mostly end up just causing wasted time with pointless wipes.
Absolutely agree…that AINT casual players.
‘Tryhards’ is a perfect word for it, so if you dont mind, Im going to borrow that one to replace ‘wannabe’ that Ive been using 
“They’re not casuals because they make me look bad”.
Okay guy.
When i hit level 70 my character was so weak that i actually really hated playing.
Im now getting to the point where things are dying fast enough out in the world.
But i still feel a lot weaker than my dragonflight main.
Yes i could upgrade my gear.
But im playing for cosmetics and gear upgrades are extortionate.
In general, i feel this game mode had some great ideas, but a horrible execution of them.
I’ve got my ‘main’ for the event and I’m working to upgrade his gear, but I want the cosmetics. So on alts I’m trying to just finally dungeon and scenarios with maybe a raid here and there, but as a fresh level 70 not interested in spending thousands upon thousands of bronze in gear upgrades, playing her sucks. I enjoyed the DK tank experience until I hit about 65-66, then I was suddenly taking 85% of my HP each punch from a dungeon boss and felt myself get so beyond weak I almost just dropped her.
Their idea of scaling at the end range of the leveling is really, really not good, and I’m honestly even more annoyed there isn’t some discount for if you have another character already upgrading gear. Because this just ensures leveling alts feels good until that hard drop off.
Blizzard lied. They lie a lot. The players got baited and switched.
I think Blizzard kept the details super vague, had the player base thinking that they were getting one thing and ended up with something else. It’s not that they didn’t know the assignment, it just what they turned in wasn’t what players were expecting.
Casual player here. I’ve been pretty vocal about how lame Remix has become. I’ve also been a supporter of the froggers and critical of Blizzard’s unnecessary nerfs.
Not all of us are envious 
Blizzard is packed to the brim with liars and hypocrites. Im not sure why anyone is surprised at all.
Unfortunately I think the person who didn’t understand the assignment was the marketing department.
At this point the actual dev team seem to be pretty firmly on the same page -Make remix as grindy and miserable as possible. At every opportunity they’ve doubled down on that approach no matter how much backlash it creates.