When will BORRROWED POWER end?
Its a real serious question about the current philosophy of game design that blizzard focus’ on.
No one knows this answer but I am curious to who actually likes this concept of completely resetting/revamping every 2 years down to the barebones?
I miss the old days where expansions actually built up and add power over time.
Never
It’s easier for Blizzard to give power and take it away than to keep powering us up endlessly and constantly needing to do power squishes so we don’t have 10M health doing 500k dps.
There you go.
Never. Borrowed power is a necessity and required with how long in the tooth WoW has become.
The entire reason borrowed power exists is due to stat bloating, spell/class homogenization, and exponential power curvature that occurred from 5 expansions in a row without ‘cleaning up’, so to speak.
There are strengths and weaknesses to borrowed power, but the alternative of just ‘staying the course’ from WoD was no longer going to be feasible in the long run.
With borrowed power systems, you get to play with new system-wide mechanics and tools for an entire expansion. This also allows designers to better rein in class power and making them distinct again since they no longer have to worry about continuously adding to a class every expansion.
The downside is that, of course, you lose those system-wide mechanics and features come next expansion. Not only that, but a good chunk of overall class power now has to come from those system-wide mechanics since the classes themselves no longer get a good chunk of that power going into the next expansion.
There’s no “best” solution to WoW’s problem, and this was inevitable with how long WoW has been going on.
The current devs/lead seem pretty attached to it so I doubt its going anywhere anytime soon…for me personally it is one of the things that I would rather just stay a casual player these days and during slow times touch and go with eso/ffxiv.
Lad, when we had 10M health we were doing 4mil.
As long as players keep paying for the game, devs are going to keep taking shortcuts to save development costs.
The game is built using templates now. Change a few parameters, put in a few titles, and you’ve got the next expansion!
Absolutely not.
The reason we have borrowed power is so devs can throw the baby out with the bath water and not have to bother fixing what they left broken in the last expansion. It’s way easier to build around borrowed power and force people to grind to get back their class than to baseline balance classes.
They hate having to integrate the new with existing content. Why do you think they’ve destroyed low level professions?
It has nothing to do with development costs. Borrowed power as a whole costs more time and money, so your argument makes no sense.
It does not take more time. LOL. You’ll buy anything. They love players like you.
Uh, yes, it does. Hi, software developer here. I can absolutely tell you that trying to create new features and products from scratch takes more time than just adding onto what already exists.
Here is how they should fix borrowed power
Give everything they were going to give to the classes as baseline
When they want to change the meta for the classes up in content patches they just need to add some bonus effects on gear, what they should do is add these bonuses when you are wearing a few pieces of gear that match
We could call them something like tier gear, or tier load outs or tier sets or something
when we get rid of the current group of uncreative developers, and find someone to lead them that has more desire than continuing a 6 year quest to screw with a mode of transportation.
Devs turned power creep into a giant power gap because they think it’s good for the game to reward the top players with that and punish casuals who they see as detrimental to the glorious future of the game. But please keep paying guys, you can RP that you’ve got something to do in shadowlands, casuals!
Nobody forced them to do that, just like nobody is forcing them to start each expansion with 1/3 of all specs broken, to be fixed later by band-aid borrowed power that players have to grind for to get back access to those spec they needed to abandon and reroll to another just to be able to play. All planned in advance.
Look at shadow priest. Look at druid specs. Look at all the specs that were utterly broken at the beginning of Legion. Or in BfA. Or will be in Shadowlands. With lame promises to “maybe we’ll look at it later, reroll and waste your time gearing up another class, then you can go back later and grind your favorite class up all over again”.
Nope, it has nothing to do with that. “Reward the top players”? What are you even talking about at this point? I don’t think you remember how things used to be in WoD and before.
Borrowed power is necessary whether you like it or not. Clearly you like it enough to keep subbing to WoW seeing how judging by your achievements you at least were playing in May.
If you don’t like borrowed power, then stop playing, because it’s not going anywhere. It’s no skin off my nose what you decide to do, but I personally wouldn’t keep playing and paying for a game I actively dislike.
Never probably. Blizzard is either too lazy or too incompetent to just fix the classes. Look at Shadow Priest for proof to that.
The changes they keep making to Spriest come off as changes from people who don’t play Spriest. Which is the problem. It’s funny, when Greg Street (AKA Ghostwalker) was asked about designing league of legends he said;
"You don’t really have to play a game to balance it." I feel that probably applies to a lot of these devs.
Specifically? PvP. I guess you’re so busy developing games you forgot to notice what’s happened to PvP in this expansion, with mythic raiders and their highest ilvl, bis azerite traits, maxed out cloaks, bis essences, and bis corruptions demanding even more special accomodation. Oh, like party sync to low level bgs where 120’s are destroying PvP with the devs’ blessing.
Regardless of what you apparently believe (“it has always been like this and nothing has ever changed, really!”), there has never been a time when a geared max level player has so much more health than a newly leveled one. And pile on those special accommodations, please!
I see what you did there.
This borrowed power stuff is nonsense.
You been vendoring gear since this game started.
They are nerfing guardian and feral, and buffing resto. That is breathtaking.
Hey look man I’m just out here spit balling ideas that I’ve seen work in other games