It’s inevitable that the Spirit Shell nerf bat is on the way. It never should have been brought back in its current form. It was busted in WoD and still is. Other healers hate it. It completely removes mythic mechanics in its own way.
When you nerf it due to all the other healers crying and top disc repeating how OP and abusive it is… in return, please buff penance and atonement transfers. Without Spirit Shell, disc is actually not in the best spot. It is being carried hard via absorb.
Look at Mid-High level M+, (12-15+) other healers can carry groups that make mistakes and eat avoidable mechanics. Disc not so much, very unforgiving. Nobody uses SS in M+ it’s just doesn’t fit that niche very well. The amount of Shadow mend healing in higher keys at the moment is insanely more than it has ever been in Legion/BFA early or late expansion.
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Fully agree with this. Looking at the stats, if you take SS out i think Disc would fall to prob 2nd/3rd. Which really isnt bad.
I do think penance , an iconic spell could use a buff and Caps did a nice post on using the pvp talent searing might which could cause some synergy with castigation
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I don’t get why so many priest call for nerfing to their own class. I doubt you’ll see the same in resto shammy forums. Stop it.
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hm…yes It will get nerfed eventually whether we wanted it or not. Oh well I’m bored with the edgy vampire anyway, I want to try Kyrian for a change in raid.
Lenience is a boring generic talent, probably replace them with pvp talent, Dark archangel sounds like fun.
The talent that will replace SS would be hm…Dome of light? lol
lol SS is not even that good. Most likely other class mains coming in here and posting this garbage.
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It’s a God tier ability in Mythic Nathria. It’s doing like 60% of some disc priests healing letting high level teams almost ignore certain mechanics during the fights. It’s going to get nerfed and then hopefully Blizzard will compensate us elsewhere.
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Don’t many others have something similar to do? Like why is it that if a priest ability performs well priests are the first to call for a nerf?
Like chill.
Let’s look at the throughput shammy has. Intense. Disc priest is fine right now. We don’t have massive throughput but we have a great burst shield. It’s fun and it works as intended. So stop calling for a nerf just because we are doing good. I don’t want to go back to bfa. So can we all agree to just shut up about calling for this nerf
Disc priest aren’t doing “fine”, they are doing op with just 1 ability in a 1 min cd.
Yes, shamans deserve a tune too.
SS is not fun for other healers when you just see you pop a CD or start healing and you do 0 healing.
It does need a nerf, like it or not. You already have the best external cd (Barrier). Just buff other things
Nah. It’s not one ability though. That’s an over simplification. It’s part of a rotation. Multiple buttons with tons of moving parts. You have tons of abilities that you can do that same thing with in other classes. It’s part of a burst. So saying “ItS oNe BuTtOn” is clearly coming from someone who doesn’t know what they are saying.
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Because SS is degenerate in its playstyle.
It does essentially the exact same thing Evangelism does, but instead of being a duration of strong healing, it’s frontloading all your healing into a 20s absorb shield.
It’s not fun for any other healer in the game to compete against a 20s, 25k absorb shield that comes up every minute. We’re literally just sniping heals from the whole group, and the only time that isn’t a case is when we’re dealing with mechanics.
This has nothing to do with ‘wow nerf priest!’ this has to do with priest being genuinely bad for the healing meta right now. Top level healers are mad at priests not because they’re doing such great throughput, but because they’re not fun to heal with, but they make things so much easier you’d be dumb not to take one.
In mythic play sure. When it comes to that I agree for the average player disc is not going to get that level of absorbs because it requires a lot more forethought. The whole style of disc doesn’t allow for easing into. So while those who know how to execute a ss properly - just like with evang it can be fantastic. New disc players and majority of them can’t utilize it best. It’s niche. In normals and heroic it’s just fine. With the least throughput of any other healer
It’s the least throughput because you have to actually take enough damage to break the absorb shield. In Normal/HC, Disc priests are literally just shielding the most dangerous mechanics entirely, with absorb left over to spare. In Mythic, your shield gets eaten.
But I disagree on it being difficult to use. It’s rather simple, and any player can literally castsequence SS entirely. Seriously, you only need 4 binds at all in a raid and you could get a blue parse: PW:R, PW:S, SS Macro, SS Cast sequence.
Many of the lower HPS disc priests in raid right now just don’t know what they’re doing entirely, and have no idea how to use Disc’s kit in a raid at all. Entirely not ramping, but keeping atonement out on ~5-8 targets while DPSing is not really ‘using ss’. But every expac we see Disc do awful in Norm/HC with a large influx of players to the spec along with the fact they don’t scale to raid size well.
It’s harder than Luminous Barrier was to use, sure - but it’s FAR easier than evangelism has been to use historically.
You start by saying it’s not hard then end with saying it’s not being utilized correctly which is what I said. And that’s the base for the majority of players. It’s such a small number of people who are achieving that. Most dont. I’m not perfect. No claim to be. Disc may have been easy for you but it’s taken me two years of play to get comfortable. That’s most people. It has a high skill floor but a low skill ceiling which ties into the beginning of what you said that once you get it you got it.
OK, but that has nothing to do with the talent being hard. That’s just playing incorrectly.
This is like a player taking the Holy Word: Salvation talent on holy, then saving it till the very end of a fight. If you don’t use it in an early healer CD spot for your raid with hopes of getting it off CD for a second cast, then you shouldn’t be using that talent entirely. You’ll get a ton more healing off of Light of the Naaru.
My point was the talent is extremely easy to use if you understand the talent and the spec to begin with. A lot of Disc priests simply do not understand the spec’s gameplay flow in raid AT ALL, and they won’t get good HPS with any talent setup. Realistically, I’m fairly certain I could sit down with someone doing Grey parses on Disc and get them up to blue parses within 5 minutes, so long as they aren’t getting themselves killed in every pull. That is how simple Disc is right now. The skill floor is honestly far lower than a lot of raid healers right now. I don’t think I could do the same with any other spec.
I disagree. A single talent doesn’t equate to ease throughout the spec.
It does in raid, and that’s the problem.
Glimmer says hello. One ability that made pallies so op last xpac. SS is as caps said, degenerate game play. It was the same in WoD which is why absorbs got removed and why so many wanted absorbs back. Its easy to play, its easy to snipe and people like being top healer without regards to how other healers may feel
Because we are not just disc priests but HEALERS and can understand what other healers go through, same as you can play a druid but still say holy priests need some help.
This is a personal view but i also believe those who have played disc in its current iteration since legion enjoy it because of its complexity to do well and SS ruins that
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I see others and I disagree with this. Priests are the first to complain when we get nerfed and the first to call for the nerf. I don’t agree with it at all. I’m happy and enjoy the meta right now. And I think it’s fine. Just like you said it’s just opinions but I don’t agree
Don’t worry we will at least survive for a while, ~3 months I guess before 9.1 comes.
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You might not know this but last xpac when glimmer got nerfed, on the pally forum they all accepted it because they understood it was op. They saw it was needed.
Of course your happy with it. Human nature. Its easy and often will make you top healer. Nothing wrong with that view. But doesn’t mean that it couldn’t do with a tweak/nerf/fix and thats based upon logs regardless of my personal view