When should you parse blue+?

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Sorry this went long: tl;dr: MAIN QUESTION HERE IS: how many times do you think you need to do a fight before you parse blue or higher?

I’m a highly driven, motivated person. That personality trait carries over to this game, too.

During our Raids (4/10M CN, currently 7/10 H SoD), I’m doing my rotation right (main is Arms Warrior). Everything feels good on ST, when adds spawn I’m doing about the only thing I can do: hit Sweeping Strikes and cleaving down.

My uptime is almost always higher than 99%, it’s never lower than 98% (except on an obvious fight like Painsmith).

And yet when logs are posted at the end of the night, my parses are TERRRRRRIBLE!! Over 7 bosses, I had 3 blue parses and the rest were GREY!

I don’t understand how I can parse a NINE … and have 99% uptime when I KNOW I’m doing my rotation correctly (Arms isn’t that complicated). Parsing a 9 seems like I’m afk.

I’ve discussed my frustration with my team. Main thing atm is last night was the FIRST TIME I’ve killed 3 of these bosses. “You shouldn’t expect to parse very high the first time you do a fight.” OK, I think that’s fair.

But I had the same experience in CN. Even after getting a few kills under my belt and understanding mechanics a little better, my parses never really went up.

And I’m not trying to be dramatic when I say, for my personality, this literally makes me want to quit the game. It’s not just that “I’m not the best.” It’s that I’ve done research, studied this and that about my chr, and looking at my uptime, I seem to be firing HARD on all cylinders. And yet, my parses are GARBAGE.

When I’ve reached out in the Warrior discord and other places to try and get better, about 90% of the time you’re simply met with “git gud” or other dismissive insults that don’t help. The rare person that tries to help and thinks they’re helping often just spout 3 pages of acronyms and incomplete thoughts, I guess assuming I know all this (if I did, I wouldn’t be asking in the first place).

Sorry this became so long but the MAIN QUESTION HERE IS: how many times do you think you need to do a fight before you parse blue or higher?

Class discords are dumpster fires. Where can I ACTUALLY GO if I want to REALLY improve my playing and parse Orange?

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If you’re doing everything correctly and still parsing that low it’s likely a gear issue. Somebody at ilvl 252 will blow an ilvl 226 out of the water. There is also the Unholy shard set bonus, on top of the blood and frost damage shards. If you don’t have at least the first one, you won’t be parsing this tier.

Once you get up to 90% parses it becomes about who gets Power Infusion, who gets selected for mechanics, and how fast the boss dies due to other people in your group.

Finally, if you genuinely want to improve then class discords ARE the best places. Read their FAQs, your answers will likely be there and you won’t have to ask anybody in real time.

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Been a while since I’ve played this game, parsing is colors now?

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Thank you for reply.

I assumed that too (about my gear). But isn’t it true that the 2nd column is your parse compared to others of your iLevel?

So, for one, that should normalize that and effectively dismiss that argument. Even if I was i226 and rest of raid was i252 I’d obviously parse grey to THEM, but the iLevel comparison-parse could be Orange. No?

That’s also dismissed because I’m i231 and that’s really the average for my Raid. I think highest is 236 and lowest is 228. Gear isn’t really what’s throwing my score off.

SHARDS … now that’s possible. Shards and such a pos this tier, I’m just going to set this discussion to the side for a moment. But suffice to say-- I think only ONE person in the entire raid has a set of shards atm. That’s not throwing me off.

The Warrior discord FAQ is very thin for how to improve. It BASICALLY is just a tl;dr of what’s posted on Icy-Veins. Archimetros writes the Icy-Veins section for Arms, he also does the Arms Discord. It’s the same info. So if anything, the FAQ on the Discord is worse because it’s just a VERY short summary of what is completed discussed in long-form on Icy-Veins.

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We can’t do a deeper analysis without logs.

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In a 3rd party app, yes. It collects TOOONNNNNSSSSSS of data about your fight and has unbelievable amount of data to improve your raid’s overall performance.

It will also break down how you did compared to your raid, and how you did for others of your spec at your similar iLevel.

grey parses are trash.
Blue is good.
Purple is epic.
Orange is Legn.

Same as in-game. :wink:

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I know, but I’m at least first trying to find ppl who WANT to help, before dealing with GD trolls who only want to find the flaws in my main’s profile and look for the easiest ways to insult me.

I really WANT to get better and, although I understand GD is not really the place to find that info, I know there are some good people here.

But can I ask your opinion of my first question?

How many times (on average) do you think a person should have to do a fight before they parse blue?

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So recount is colors now?

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No, not recount.

Warcraftlogs. It’s a raid tool that runs in the background and collects all the data as you raid.

edit: And recount “isn’t cool” anymore. There is a new meter called “Details” that… I’m not a fan of. It provides a lot more info (so it seems), but it seems shady how it determines DPS. It seems to create falsely higher-highs, and misleading lower-lows.

When I run M+, Recount and Details show the same TOTAL damage done (how could they not?), but they always show a WILDLY different DPS-- like 2-3K difference!!

That shouldn’t be possible. 100 maybe, but 2-3K???

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Oh okay I see.

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Depends on the encounter. Something like guardian? First try. Something more complex with more nuanced mechanics / timing tricks to abuse? Could be 2nd or 3rd kill. Most fights on heroic are just, outside of playing your rotation, pad and cooldown allocation.

If you’re having issues doing the amount of damage a player at your gear level has already been shown (Through logs) to be capable of on a fight like guardian, it’s hard to agree you’re playing your rotation / cooldowns as well as you think you are.

I think you’d really be best going to the warrior class discord, or at least the warrior subforum on the official forums to persue and diagnose your issues.

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fwiw: I’ve only done Guardian once on Normal, and parsed blue.

We just started on Heroic last night, it was end of night and we only did 3 pulls. Didn’t get a kill, so I don’t care what I parsed on a wipe (meaning I parsed grey… but meaningless on a learning wipe).

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You need your domination set. Auto blue parse in Heroic unless you roll your face on the keyboard.

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This question isn’t as black and white as you think it is, at least a high level of play. I’d generally say your second kill should be a decent improvement over your first if you parsed badly. If you look up my Mythic CN logs, they aren’t very good. A large part of this is that my Council - SLG parses were all first kills, so no chance at a second run knowing that I can push the limits with more experience. Another is that my guild was more concerned with executing critical mechanics with no risk.

Fast forward to SoD, and you can see how my parses improve very noticeable on reclears, particularly as the entire raid gains experience, so we can more smoothly handle mechanics and minimize downtime across the board.

Also, sometimes your guild can have you focus on single target, so not having cleave in your setup or goals can hurt your damage totals. For example, being melee, I am part of the Phylactery group in Kel’thuzad, which is pure single target (and some additional downtime on heroic). Were I to be in the top group, which is a lot of adds that I can cleave, I could parse much higher (assuming it’s all counted).

Obviously, it’s easier to check your parses on fights much more consistent with the mechanics and cleave interactions, such as Guardian of the First Ones, and Fatscribe Roh’kalo. It gets more complicated in situations like Soulrender Dormazain where your effective damage totals are easily affected by how well/fast the adds were grouped, and how quickly/well the Brands of Torment were stacked on them for you to AoE.

For more specific help with people that can look at logs (for your class/spec), there’s usually a class discord server.

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I think from that I’ll stay apprehensively positive. Though I do think you should 100% move this discussion to a more warrior centric location.

Parsing is a combination of a lot of factors, some in your control, and others less so. Sometimes being unable to parse purple is mostly a case of those factors out of your control, especially if you’re under geared, but if you’re doing badly for your ilvl and parsing in the green / grey area then there’s definitely a lot you personally can be doing better that you can work on with help from more skilled players.

If you were a shadow priest I’d be all over this, but you’re a warrior so I can’t be much help beyond general stuff.

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For anyone to really be able to help you, they would need to know your warrior’s name and server. I am on two different class discord and I’ve had great experiences with both. The only other place that ironically is really good about your kind of issue I’d the reddit competitive wow subreddit. Some of them are the uber ultra nerds that dont even leave the house.

If you are certain it isn’t your rotation, then it is cd usage. check your stat weights as well.

And lastly, only the item level parse means anything

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Just gonna dispute this, and it’s for two reasons mainly.

Firstly, set bonuses are dragging people’s ilvls down, making the correlation between ilvl and DPS much much weaker.

Secondly, sample size, sure for average ilvl people in heroic content it’s unlikely to matter as much, but if you’re under or over that then the sample size is just too small to get anything meaningful from.

I think you should always try to contextualise your overall parse and understand the reasons it can be low that are beyond your control before you look at ilvl parses personally. You can’t really get much from a number, be it overall or item level.

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Post in you warrior and post your logs also the warrior discord is pretty lame for asking for help sometimes cause well we be warriors lol, but unless we can see your logs and stuff cant really help

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This is the only question you’re asking that has no good answer. I was getting purple/orange parses in week 1 of SoD. I have guildies that never parse above grey.

Like was mentioned above, it should take no more than two attempts to learn cooldown management for a fight. If you pop your CDs right as Painsmith jumps away for intermission, your entire parse is ruined. If Bladestorm is off CD but the Fatescribe tank add is about to die, hold onto the burst ApE to destroy the small adds. As so on…

EDIT: also, your percentile score is comparing to every Arms Warrior everywhere, not your guildies. So your guild’s average ilvl is meaningless in this context. Furthermore, you’re playing a strong spec that is also the meta Warrior spec, meaning you are comparing yourself to the best Warriors in the world.

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Five times