When do you consider a roll on an item completed? I was always under assumption, once the Raid Lead hands out the loot that was rolled on, it’s officially completed. No further rolling.
Scenario. Last night during BWL guild raid, I won much needed T2 gear off Broodlord Lashlayer. Gear distributed, and just left it in my inventory. We clear the next 3 dragons, and right before Chromaggus the raid leader messages, and says that the other Shaman “missed” the roll on the gear I had won. So we had to re-roll, which he won. Now I have to trade away my gear.
This isn’t at all against tos in any way. By no means did he have to let the pieces go to the other player, but it was nice that he did it willingly.
Honestly, I might’ve done the same thing if it were my guild. But if this were a pug, I wouldnt have given it back. They missed their chance to roll. If they had been paying attention maybe they wouldnt have missed it.
It’s Ninja Looting. You report it to the realm’s Ninja Looter list.
The fact that it happened between guild members doesn’t really change that frankly.
I mean hell, nobody wants to get involved with someone else’s guild drama. But, I wouldn’t stay in a guild with a raid leader who pulls that kind of move.
Thats ridiculous rofl. There are no “rules of looting.” Its handled on a case by case basis and as such by frivolously reporting you’re not only wasting your time (of questionable value) you’re taking time away from a rep who could be looking at an actual issue.
What are you even talking about right now???
If you don’t agree with how your guild runs things speak up, get over it, or move on.
I’ve been distracted several times and missed the roll on huge upgrades during phase 1 and 2. I knew it was my fault for not paying attention and missing the roll. ESPECIALLY as that’s the whole freaking reason everyone is there, to get loot. To not pay attention to the whole point of raiding is the fault of the person missing the roll.
All 3 times I did that I sucked it up and didn’t say anything. Although I’m equally sure that the raid leaders would have also said tough luck, pay attention next time had I tried to cry to them about it. At the same time, had someone in my guild really needed it and missed the roll, and I was asked nicely to re-roll I might consider it depending on who the person was that missed the roll and how big of an upgrade it was for them. But for a pug? Go pound sand.
I don’t think it’s again the TOS. I do think it’s a bad call and I wouldn’t be happy with their decision. I can see 30 seconds or even a minute, but to wait from Broodlord to Chromag? That’s pretty dumb.
Here’s an entire page of google results. Find me one that defines “ninja-looting” as “asking a player to give up an item to someone else who rolled late.”
Trying to manipulate or coerce someone to do something against their will is illegal, and trying to do this in such a way where you take their money against their will, is stealing.
That’s how it works.
This is literally why the Ninja Looter list exists. It is specifically to address this kind of thing. This is the point.
I don’t know how you’re not getting this.
If someone leads a raid and tells people to give up loot that they won to other people, that’s Ninja Looting. That is just straight up Ninja Looting. You can call it “coercion” if you want. Nonetheless, that’s still Ninja Looting. You’re just using semantics at that point.