When does Glaive Tempest gain value?

Classes Demon Hunter
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I’m beginning to feel like the people writing the DH guides on wowhead/icy-veins are full of themselves when they say that Trail of Ruin isn’t worth taking ever.

I repeatedly sim Glaive Tempest against Trail of Ruin in a demon blades build, and every time they come up to be nearly perfectly equal. My last sim had a 7 dps difference dps between them, in favor of trail.

In a raid environment i almost always prefer trail because it keeps the fury generation smoother without Chaos Theory (i won’t have enough ash to make it until after reset). As dumping 30 fury on a Glaive Tempest every time it’s up feels like it creates more downtime.

In M+, yeah Glaive Tempest is great burst damage, but i just don’t understand why the guides say it’s the best talent on the row. Does it gain value when you have Chaos Theory because you’re getting more Fury refunded?

There’s also the whole thing where you can just miss with it because the mobs get dragged out of it.

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Tempest is generally run with the Collective Anguish / Cycle of Hatred build.

Trail more so with Chaos Theory builds.

Tempest is also useful in pvp, particularly vs melee.

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This. Trail is better dps overall, but tempest is more burst which is useful in pvp.

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Yes, but the position matters too and you may need to stun to land it clean on a runner. I’ll still take trail with chaos theory if trying to mana rift with fel eruption vs a slippery target.

Tempest into ret rogue can do a ton of cleave though.

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So i suppose my next question is: Are there more reliable resources out there for DH beyond wowhead/icy-veins. I feel like their havoc sections are both just leaden with misinformation.

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Go to class discord, read all the pins. Ignore Icy Veins.

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Look at warcraft logs to see what other DHs are using. This is going to be up to date data and you can see what is performing the best for every fight.

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I used glaive tempest for about 5 weeks, then realized I don’t like it and adopted my current build. One of the bad things I noticed about glaive tempest is it seems that if you use it and the mobs get moved out, they stop taking damage from it. In the current everything-gets-kited-all-over-the-freaking-place, this is suboptimal.

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Burst damage matters in M+ because you spend time between pulls not doing anything.

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Is still our biggest Burst DPS even if mob doesn’t take the full duration damage. The other talent in that roll is Trail of Rain and that’s damage is just bad.

I try to do an AoE only build Blind Furry, insatbable hunger, glaive tempest, Soul Rending, Cycle of Hatred, Unleash power and Demonic. Really good burst AoE damage 8 to 10k dps but is so odd to play without Felblade and Demon blades. Basically you are pooling Fury, Immolation Aura, Eye Beam, Chaos strike trying to lower the CD of Eye beam.

But it doesn’t feel good to play since you are Demon’s bite for fury. Is still decent for ST as I feel I do almost the same damage but basically you don’t even use blade dance.