What's your opinion on headcanon/fan-lore content in RP?

Do you utterly despise it, love seeing it, or are just indifferent. I just wanted to ask because I personally love homebrewing and coming up with my own lore while trying to make it fit in with the larger world of Azeroth, and I wanted to gather opinions from other members of WRA.

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Speculation is, in part, the lifeblood of roleplaying, as it ideally helps to expand the setting in ways the devs may never will. In general, speculation that colors the grey areas of lore or fills parts of the proverbial lore hole can be quite good for an rp environment. I typically enjoy when logical deduction and imagination are combined to, at least temporarily, help build on what has been provided.

It should also be noted that we as players aren’t a hivemind, and therefore don’t think alike; nor are any of us actually in charge of the setting’s official development. Regardless of how much sense it makes or how cool we or anyone else thinks something is we shouldn’t treat any individual speculation as set in stone and be prepared to change/adapt according to official developments where prudent.

In short:

Speculation is fine, especially if it adapts to established canon, but should remain flexible and shouldn’t be publicly enforced. At best such things helps enhance immersion and gives us stuff to do or discuss, as long as we moderate ourselves and don’t act like our word is law since, in the end, it really isn’t and likely never will be.

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Ftfy.

Also, nah. I don’t mind usually. But like most rp, it’s all about how it’s presented.

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Depends on the headcanon.

As long as it’s reasonable, isn’t running over actual lore, or negatively affecting RP in a serious way, I’m usually fine with it. It’s better if it comes with some kind of reasoning and isn’t just a “because I want to” thing. But even then, not always.

I don’t like headcanon when it’s something like a lore crossover and your WoW character suddenly has powers and knowledge from some other game or lore that doesn’t exist in WoW (unless it’s pretty generic). Your engineer can’t suddenly be Magneto, if that makes sense. I don’t want to see characters from Supernatural, Game of Thrones or the Witcher walking around Stormwind. But if you want to have someone read tarot cards, that’s all good.

I also don’t like headcanon that people use to say their characters all hate a race for no reason - moreso if it’s a race they shouldn’t have a reason to hate. If someone OOCly doesn’t like elves, orcs, short races, etc., that’s fine. But when someone makes all their characters hate elves, orcs, etc. with no justification, I’m likely not to RP with them. That feels like the separation of IC/OOC is missing. Now if a character hates orcs because of what happened to them during Garrosh’s big bad warchief experience, that’s fine. But I also want to see it RPd out in a way that isn’t just denying the other RPer the chance to participate (i.e. give them looks of suspicion - yes! Swap to your character’s language so they can’t RP with you - nooooo.)

And I also feel like it’s fine to say your character had nothing to do with some of the plot points you find offensive OOCly. If you don’t want your Tauren to burn the tree, that’s perfectly acceptable. If you want your characters to be less faction based, also fine.

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Considering how many times Blizzard has retconned or jumped the shark or just forgotten their own lore, I’m not going to give anyone a hard time about their own interpretation of it so long as they realize not everyone will agree.

So long as the premise isn’t completely bonkers or being played in a rude, trolling, or “force my will upon others” way, I’ll likely even roll with it. I definitely am not going to nitpick at this point.

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I don’t have a problem with it - so long as it works within current lore and you don’t cram it down someone’s throat. I think headcannon can add a lot to rp and helps flesh out the world.

Heck, I founded a guild based on Kinarra’s worship of the Skyfather. It’s not something you find in tauren lore - but it’s not excluded either. It’s just not mentioned. And it seems to be something that would fit. The character still honors the Earthmother, so she’s not a total wild eyed heretic, well not yet. In character, Kinarra isn’t going to force the idea of Skyfather on anyone. Skyfather calls people to him so not believing/worshipping him is just fine.

There is also a cave that my character refers too as “The Seer’s Cave”. In my head canon it is guarded by an ancient bear spirit called Great Mother Bear who protects a small spring that the Elder seer uses for rituals. The cave has a fairly important place in guild lore, but I don’t stress out if someone else uses the cave for purposes of their own. It’s just a random cave, and I’m not going to force my head cannon on anyone outside the guild - or anyone that doesn’t want to play along with me.

Now, I was an officer in a RP guild once where two certain members had worked out that all achievements were earned by the player, and all players, in character through time line manipulation. Well, okay then. We all have to make our peace with the “champion” issue. However, this couple refused to interact with guild members, including officers and GM, who were “of less rank” than them and they would raise an IC ruckus about it. They disrupted a guild story line, upset anyone who tried to rp with them and generally caused chaos. In the end, we had to ask them to leave. They were welcome to their head cannon, but either failed to realize or didn’t care about the consequences that they forced on other players.

TLDR: Head cannon is fine so long as you understand there may be unexpected consequences and don’t try to force it other people.

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What two Elves do in the privacy of their own home is no business of mine.

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I think, as a lot of the above posts have indicated, there’s a spectrum, from conservative to liberal. I don’t mean those terms politically at all (the LAST thing I want to do is open THAT can of worms) but in response to the lore. People on the more conservative end of the headcanon spectrum are more interested in conserving the lore, working within it as a framework, whereas people on the more liberal end would see the lore as more guidelines than actual rules and try to work outside of its bounds, with other inspirations sometimes coming into play.

On the very conservative end, in my experience, you often get a very grumpy/gatekeepy class of roleplayer. To them, RP is often bound so strictly by the lore that it limits what people can play even within the lore. I think these have grown more rare over the years but I mean here the class of roleplayer who would tell you that you can’t roleplay a half elf or a high elf because they’re too rare, a San’layn because all San’layn are evil, etc etc. I guess it takes an approach that if the lore doesn’t provide examples (e.g. no good San’layn NPCs exist as far as I’m aware) it is forbidden.

On the mildly conservative side of things it’s more that the lore establishes boundaries but where it does not specify there is room for flexibility. This is probably more where I sit. For instance, a dwarf RPer might safely headcanon that Loch Modan is no longer full of Twilight’s Hammer Cultists, after over a decade of lore time has passed. It’s a headcanon; as far as the lore specifies Loch Modan had a bunch of cultists last we checked, but it’s a safe assumption to make given the context of the world and the passage of time. You can safely RP a not-totally-evil-San’layn, for instance, because we know that individual free-willed undead are individuals with distinct personalities and values, so even if their society is largely evil, individual characters need not be so. Generally the lore is held as important, but there’s still a lot of room for individuality and imagination.

Then on the liberal side you get a more ‘freedom from the lore’ attitude. For instance, in my time I’ve met people who’ve RPed as Time Lords from the Doctor Who Universe, or who have invented a continent/island of which they are the monarch of a heretofore undiscovered society, or who are a shapeshifting alien species that escaped the Legion’s destruction of their planet, and so forth. (All actual examples I’ve encountered) I’d argue that this perspective puts individual character ideas and inspiration above the lore, and either ignores the lore as a boundary or distorts it in some way to make allowances for the idea.

Even this doesn’t sum it up. Like most attempts to lump complex humans into a simple conservative-liberal spectrum, there’s a lot of variance within the categories or areas where people might be conservative in one sense but liberal in another. But fundamentally I think that’s how it manifests itself. It’s muddied by the fact that Azeroth can be a bit details-shy at times, and so even the strictest lore adherents tend to chuck headcanons in. For instance nothing official in the teachings of the Church of the Holy Light prohibits premarital ‘liasons’ but you’ll find a lot of those RPers frowning at the notion lol.

Importantly though, everyone headcanons in some form. We have to, as RPers - I mean the act of RPing is creating our own little Azeroth fanfic. Personally I have the most fun when the lore is kind of held as the mutual terms of RP, so to speak, the agreed-upon outline of what we can build, but not when it’s used as a big stick to beat down any sense of individuality. So flexibility is fine and fun - just keep it in universe, that’s my opinion!

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I use it for interpersonal stuff and character stuff.

For example: Interactions I’ve had with other players in certain areas and my own character’s relationships with in game NPCs and characters.

If something is too outlandish, I won’t really recognize it- but it doesn’t matter too much from me since I never have time to RP anymore (Sad)

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Oh… well. Nevermind.

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As roleplayers, we’re all sitting in the in-between grey space left behind by WoW’s writing, and because of that there’s inherently going to be some baseline headcanoning that must take place in order to rp in the first place. Is my human paladin actually the long dead ghost of a knight in Lothar’s service? Gameplay wise, no I started in Northshire Abby like all other human characters. But my rp partners play along with my character concept when I slap on a spectral toy and start waxing about the First War.

As the game has progressed and more ideas and combinations of ideas have been introduced into the canon, what’s possible in RP has greatly expanded as well. I’ve stopped asking why to character concepts and have transitioned to why not? There are some concepts that work better in private rp than public rp, but so long as everyone in your roleplay group is on board and the concept doesn’t take away agency from your partners, I see no reason to limit yourself.

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Well according to Blizzard’s messed up lore last I looked (been a while though), we all get sucked down to the Shadowlands after we croak… even though 20 or so years of Warcraft lore had ghosts and spirits and shamans who talked to them and priests who expelled them and…

So yeah, that’s…kinda why I don’t take Blizzard’s lore all THAT seriously. I’m more like: have we seen some example of it in game at some point, or has it been hinted at? Yes? I’m cool with it, because Blizzard sure AF doesn’t seem to know or care what they’re doing half the time with their own creation :slight_smile:

Now if you claim to be Princess Unicorn from He-Man’s universe, I might just shrug and move on (I still won’t really care if you want to RP that though, I just probably won’t get into it myself because it’s a bit -too- out there).

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All rp at the end of the day is a form of headcanon or fan lore. At least when it comes to rping in established franchise games like WoW. It’s certainly a spectrum of just how much is used. Even when we are trying to fit backstories into events of the lore we make assumptions. It really comes down to what people are willing to accept.

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Really depends on how lore friendly it is to me. If you can make it fit in and have a backstory that isn’t blatantly disregarding the lore then I’m all for it. As others have said, RP is headcanon already, to an extent.

However, blatantly disregarding lore to the point of omitting entire expansions, books/media and or established content? I’m not a fan of. But I will never try to police somebodies RP. They pay their sub!

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Yeah, the Time Lords would have been a hard no from me. I’m fine with them RPing them however they want (it’s their $15/month after all), but I’ll just steer clear.

There have been a number of imagined island/kingdom/city RP I’ve seen. For the most part, those feel more acceptable than the human RPer who claimed she was the queen of IF (it was MG during LK). Of course, there are the use of things like Garrisons or phased city stand-ins for representation (Hearthglen and Theramore come to mind).

I think a lot of us are a little less strict with concepts than we used to be, which is why there have been more people RPing Dragons, Dark Rangers and Dwarven clans with non-Dwarven members in the last few expacs versus what it was like in LK and Cata.

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There is no lore worth preserving. It must all burn.

Kind of a missed opportunity to not make the Infinite Dragonflight a bunch of insufferable lore purists trying to rewrite history to make it a better story.

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Lore is a plumb bob, not field artillery.

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I’m gonna say this as simply as my nerdy self can.

Canon-lore is both the skeleton and framework of the game. so long as whatever you’re building fits within that framework, and functions well with that skeleton, go nuts. WoW’s lore is fairly spotty as things stand.

But its also that grounded nature of your RP that makes the most sense and will have other people Role Playing with you. Overwhelming power and BFF with major lore characters is a bit of a stretch and can stifle other people’s characters, which is never fun in a long-term situation.

Take what’s given to you in the game and run with it till you find your niche, is the best advice I can offer. There’s multiple different paths for nearly every class, profession and race and there’s really no absolutely ‘wrong’ way to play any of them, within reason.

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I’ve dug deep into what the actual developers say about the actual lore. They’ve told us to take everything as being said by an unreliable narrator. “Canon” in a game design context is waaaaaay different than religious canon. Basically it only sets the bounds for designing specific content. That’s it. And there’s what (?) 20,000 years or so of Azerothian history? Plenty of blank spots in there. So published lore is a frontier, not a line in the sand.

i’m a pandaholic, so that’s the only part of the lore that I know a little bit about - enough to discuss anyway. If it’s not true of the rest of WoW, then at minimum Pandaria is for sure Samwise’s headcanon and we’re just playing in it. And, like they say, “Pandaren don’t really come in any bad flavors.”

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Staying solely within the framework of what’s already canonized is difficult to maintain considering we’re playing a video game where things keep changing constantly.

Similar to Kunbo, I’d always had and encouraged a more relaxed view of Tauren lore and the possibilities of it due to Tauren history largely being spoken tradition rather than written on anything more than just a few scrolls explaining how the Tauren believe the Earthmother created the world around them.

The whole idea behind The Earthspear Tribe back when I first started it was legitimizing my own personal headcanon–that this was a Tauren tribe that actually did exist, it lived in the Barrens, and it was all but wiped out during the Third War. Within the context of the game’s world and universe, the Tribe would not exist–but for myself, I set the lore of the Earthspear to be within a pocket where it could be feasibly be treated as if it could be canon.

Now, granted I was a dumb up and coming young adult with an amateur-level writing capability and never really bothered to make a whole lot of sense out of what I’d written, but with roleplaying in WoW it’s crucial to not take everything going on within its universe at face value if you want to enjoy this whole aspect.

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