Whats wrong with some people?

This dudes just arguing for the sake of arguing, there’s a few people on these forums like him. They’ll take some weird stance on an issue no one understands and just argue to the death all day long with everyone. All they do is deflect deflect and run the conversation in circles trying to make it seem like everyone else in the worlds crazy but them.

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Hmmm…interesting, typically ad hominem attacks are used when someone doesn’t have a valid argument. Here I thought “you do you” was for when you know the person is willfully obtuse. :thinking:

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You’re not even fighting the point anymore but rather the people posting and their word choice. You clearly don’t have a valid argument and you’re too prideful to admit that you were wrong. You’re standing by what you said and trying to use the “fact” that you played Vanilla to give validity to you defeding the dumb gnome who rejected the invite. You’re actually an idiot.

please do

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Lol see my prior comment about not arguing the point but rather the other person. Figures

EDIT: @me when you can make a valid point about defending the gnome who rejected the invite when OP tried to share the tag…wait it’s dawning on me…you’re a troll!!! Oh I get it now. Nice job lol

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How is trying to share a quest mob inconsiderate? Especially since the OP didn’t need to do anything at all? With the story presented, it was going to be the OP’s tag regardless. The gnome was fighting something else, but the only reason to be at the bottom of the cave is to kill griknir, so the OP tossed an invite to try and save the guy some time. You can say it’s impolite to invite without talking first, but given these specific circumstances it seems pretty reasonable to just invite the guy and save him 5 minutes of standing there with his thumb up his but waiting for the spawn, and move on with both your lives.

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Victim blaming.

I don’t accept group invites unless someone talks to me first, that might have something to do with it. I don’t like it when I just get random invites out of the blue without at least an introduction…maybe that’s just me.

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Straightup, if you’re asking genuinely, I will bite and explain, as there is an answer to this & you kinda answered your own question. If your goal is to provide low level bait, tho, I’m not gonna bother. A clue: it’s a perspective issue mainly. There’s ofc multiple ways to “see it”, but it’s possible to compromise and exercise some patience until that person is done fighting. (Again, before people had zero issue with this, everyone “played nicely”). There’s a way to see it without being inflammatory & entitled is the only point here. Those who choose to be inflammatory & entitled as a lifestyle choice however, won’t see it that way, so it’s ultimately a waste of breath on my (or anyone’s part that has tirelessly tried to explain it). Make sense? Or were you just trolling? (serious question). I blame the parents. /s :rofl:

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That’s your right, and many people feel the same way. It’s just kind of a situational thing based on observation, like if I’m running through some cave somewhere, and there’s a quest mob to kill, like a mini boss dude, and some warrior pops up behind me running in the same direction, ima assume he needs it too and i’ll send him an invite. Usually without a whisper simply because by the time you type out a whisper it could be tagged, and what if he’s like that dude above and will decline it and leave you out to dry? Better safe than sorry. Accept it and help me and we both get the kill, or decline it and wait. But don’t be mad if I tag it before you, I sent you an invite as a courtesy. What you do with that courtesy is entirely up to you.

I think this is the crux of the issue, what you consider a courtesy, I consider an intrusion. I’m sure your intentions are good, but to me, it comes off as pushy.

Any time you have people with differing social norms coming together in an MMO there will be little disconnects like this. It’s nobody’s fault, just the way it works. If someone has to wait for a respawn then that’s just the way the cookie crumbles, although I imagine in a situation like you describe where I can clearly see you running towards a quest mob and I get the invite I’d likely accept because it’s obvious to me what’s going on.

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Not really. Most people in that situation will just extend an invite.

The problem is that if the quest mob is just sitting there then someone might tag it in the time you’re trying to negotiate a group. Better to just be safe and invite as you’re about to pull it. Most people understand that you’re trying to share the kill and will accept the invite.

If they don’t then oh well, you tried to include them and they hurt themselves by not accepting. Next time maybe they will have learned from this.

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Anyway, didn’t there used to be a tooltip on the loading screen that said it’s considered it’s proper etiquette to talk to someone before inviting them to a group? Or am I thinking of something else?

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I can see that though. I can see that I might have just been intrusive on his end but the intention was to try to make it so me and him could benefit.

And there was a tooltip, you’re not wrong, but as someone else pointed out while I was trying to whisper him someone else could have swooped in and snagged the tag.

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Yea, it’s one of those situations where you’re both technically in the right, although he certainly didn’t have to react in such an angry fashion. Social stuff is a mystery to me anyway. :smiley:

Lol, no it was standard is my point. It is not now, however, there are still plently of people in the community that saw this in action & saw for themselves that it caused way, way less problems. You’re defending why it shouldn’t be standard, while telling me it wasn’t. It was. This isn’t an opinion thing. The behaviour being defended actually earned the rejection of entire servers. Saw it myself. I’m not arguing anyone’s perspective here. I’m saying it’s expected people will have a different opinion. My only point is that people are demanding the “nugamer” mentality & many of us say it isn’t us that needs to adapt. Clearly, you can see how this entire “argument” is unecessary? If people exercised any patience and lost the entitlement complex, things would go much smoother as they did before. You see how everywhere people are saying the community is different? This is a prime example. My stance stands on its own merit.

Again, you’re entitled to your opinion, and others are entitled to see it differently. When those people do not have said issues, perhaps, just perhaps, they’re onto something. Again, addons exist to prevent this kind of thing for a reason. I’ll wait for one good reason that if you have the time to throw an invite in someone’s face, breaking thier concentration, why you wouldn’t have the time to exercise basic courtesy and type “wanna group up?”, giving the person a choice? (Yeah you can argue they have choice when you throw the inv in thier face, but you effectively negate that “choice” when you whinge they didn’t take it; so that’s just semantics). The point is, every player plays differently. It’s not up to someone else to decide if they should group or not. One person is being considerate. One is not. It’s easy to see.

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It’s been this way even far back in Vanilla. In my experience, at least. I don’t recall it ever being a “standard”.

I think we both have the same point, but vastly different experiences. Honestly, if you threw an invite in someone’s face and didn’t get blasted for it, you honestly got really lucky. In my experience, anyone that did this got blasted for this, so you’re not wrong when you say “It’s been this way”, in a way you’re not wrong lol. There were prolly more forum fights about this very thing in Vanilla than any other issue for a good while there. No changes haha :beers:

Right, and the OP was going to get the tag, and he offered to share it, was turned down, and then the other party got upset. While I understand there are rules and etiquette to all interactions, including gaming, i’m more inclined to side with the adage “don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.” The OP was doing what they thought was a solid for another player. Sharing quest mobs is a nice thing to do. It seems odd to get upset that they didn’t follow someone else’s rules or perceptions for proper etiquette when trying to just do something nice.

Dude, I get how you’re thinking about this & I really think we’re at an impasse. There are people who think “etiqutte” is some sort of individualistic decision vs. a universal guideline for the least inflammatory experience possible. If every individual decides etiquette, it ceases to be etiquette & becomes it’s own problem, as evidenced by everyone debating “thier version”. I really don’t expect many to see this, to be honest. However, everyone now has a “perspective” on it, so it’s become an issue of perspective. Is what it is.

So, turn off party invites.

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