Whats the worst rune in your opinion?

Im specifically talking about dead runes. Ones that no serious player will ever choose because its completely useless. Or makes your class worse.

I can think of a lot, especially on hunter where more than half are useless, but most notably atm is steady shot. Which took place of lone wolf of hurting the class more than helping. It steals a global cd for a castable auto shot that does less damage than auto shot. Lol whoever designed this should lose their job and never code game again.

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Horn of Lordaeron by miles is horrid.

Shadowstrike comes up in mind after and should be honestly usable after a Shadowstep.

But speaking as a Pally what needs to happen with Horn is this
-Instead grants % damage/ healing done and crit%. No longer screws up Might.

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Living Seed was bad in 2009-2011 and it’s bad in 2024.

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take your pick of warrior runes

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Horn of Lordaeron

Horn of Lordaeron has to be the absolute worst. Especially in Phase 2.

Its 2 minutes long in a world where we now get every Blessing at 10 minutes and because it casts to the entire party, it ALWAYS overrides Blessing of Might even if the other Paladin has Improved Blessing of Might talented.

One of those dead runes that isn’t just bad for the player, but actively detrimental to everyone else they group with.

Yea, needs overhauled.

-Increase damage and healing done. Increases crit%, doesnt over ride Blessings. Longer duration.

5000000x this. It’s just so bad and was only not completely garbage in one single situation:
In phase 1, if you were a holy paladin healing in a 5 man dungeon and 3 of the DPS were hunters. That way you could give the hunters +agi as well as Blessing of Wisdom.
Even then, they’d probably just want might for their pets :expressionless:

For those of you who don’t know, Horn of Lordaeron is mutually exclusive with Blessing of Might, so no one wants Horn. Ever.

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Shadowflame. Joke damage.

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Sniper Training
Master Marksman
Serpent Spread
Kill Command
Invigorating Strikes
Steady Shot

Absolutely no one is using these. Lone Wolf is about to be back on that list after the raptor strike deletion.

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Yes to all except kill command.

I use kill command, and i too thought it was useless. If you are full BM, kill command is a really good attack multiplier on top of the other multipliers. It sucks that its a 1min cd, and its only for bite and claw. But its better than flanking and ill tell you why. Flanking competes with raptor for a global cd spot. Raptor is better value if you spec for it to be instant. Flanking requires both pet and player to be near target which most of time in pvp isnt happening. And it doesnt do as much damage i came to find out.

That global cd could be used elsewhere such as throwing down traps, mend pet, or viper sting. You do not wanna be in melee range AT ALL as BM hunter. If you are, you are throwing freezing trap and creating distance, never fight in melee youll lose more times than not. Kill Command on the other hand does not have GCD, so could be used simultaneously while casting other stuff like beastial wrath, etc. Its a nice small extra multiplier for cat or raptor pet. Wish it did more damage.

These two runes share the same slot:

  • Soul Siphon: Increases the amount drained by your Drain Life and Drain Soul spells by an additional 6% for each of your Warlock Shadow effects afflicting the target, up to a maximum of 18% additional effect.

  • Master Channeler: Your Drain Life is no longer channeled, lasts 15 sec with a 15 sec cooldown, costs 100% more mana, and heals you for 50% more each time it deals damage.

In no realistic situation is Soul Siphon better than Master Channeler. The following rune shares a slot with two generous damage modifiers:

  • Invocation: Refreshing Corruption, Immolate, Curse of Agony, or Siphon Life when it has less than 6 seconds duration remaining will cause you to deal instant damage to the target equal to the spell’s remaining periodic damage.
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On 1 min CD it only buffs 1 bite and 2 claws for a total damage less than 1 extra bit.

Collectively, id say all of frost mage runes. The spec has been the worst pve spec since release and is currently the worst PvP spec aswell. Frost mage is pretty much relegated to running flags in WSG. It needs major love

I don’t know about that. Affliction and Demonology Warlocks are so bad that they don’t even show up on rankings for DPS specializations. There is just “DPS Warlock” which means Destruction.

Shadowflame is a pretty dead rune

It’s so underwhelming I’ve yet to see anyone run that rune
It’s dog water damage like Max 70 DMG on a 12 cooldown with no snare and a cone restriction are you joking me??
There’s not a worse rune out there trust me

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And the damage is spread over 8 seconds. I don’t know why this rune even exists.

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Bite is 49-59 damage, so lets say 50 average.
60 (BM rune 20%)
75 (unleashed fury talent 20%)
82.5 (if cat or raptor 10%)
86.6 (if orc 5%)
130 (bestial wrath 50%)

with kill command its 207

yea 70 extra damage isnt a lot by any means, but with crit its 140. an extra raptor strike or so.

The difference is i have 100% uptime on this vs flanking which i rarely use, because pet already attacks super fast anyways so the 100% attack from pet is nothing. This is just a weaker version of raptor if you think about it. To make it worse, flanking has a 30sec CD which means I can only use it twice in the span i can use kill command AND costs a global cd. Kill command gives better value overall for me.

The only situation I can see flanking beating KC, is if you are heavily melee and want the 10% dmg modifier to raptor, or if you did not spec for the raptor rune and this is your main instant melee ability. But our waist runes are trash to choose anything besides melee spec.

Main gauche

The ability is fantastic on paper, but you don’t get mutilate or saber slash if you use it

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Living seed for druid, we are a hot based class with little to no crit and it replaces the far more useful fury of stormrage