What's the point of the Alliance anymore?

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I leveled up a US character to level 10 just to vent my frustration after years. :sweat_smile:
Even though I was advised against posting on the forums, as people seem to enjoy tearing each other apart here, I’m going to do it anyway. Especially since I’m finally giving up on giving WoW another chance, only to be disappointed once again. So, I’m letting my subscription expire and that’s it for the game. Better late than never. :dracthyr_shrug:

Now, onto my criticism:

Aside from the generally bad story and a slew of gameplay technical issues, aswell as the amount of bots plaguing this game, it’s just plain annoying how they treat the factions like a two-class system.

I’ll only address what’s happened since the end of Legion here, even though I’m well aware that the devs’ behavior toward the Alliance started long before that.

Void Elves vs. Nightborne.

Nightborne get rich lore, the largest Elven city in the entire game, an improved model, and now have more customization options than Night Elves.

Void Elves get next to no lore, what little they have feels contrived, they don’t get a city, just a few tiny tents in the middle of nowhere and they still haven’t received any unique customizations to this day. Apart from a few copy & paste options, they haven’t even bothered to fix the hairstyles, some of which look choppy and patchy.

A customization option for Gnomes, somehow even uglier than the original, vs. Vulpera…

  • I probably don’t even need to add anything here.

The female human model, thanks to the Dracthyr, is for the Horde, with no new counterpart for the Alliance.

Likely the female Worgen model, also for the Horde now. At least the Dracthyr look very similar to them, even with the same sit animation.

Dwarves for the Horde, again without a Horde counterpart for the Alliance.

And if the hairy Night Elves become playable too, the Horde will likely get the male human model along with the Night Elf one. It certainly looks like they’ve used it for the male version.

That’s a total of 4 Alliance models for the Horde and only one for the Alliance. How fair. :joy:

Meanwhile, 3 Alliance locations have been made neutral, those of the Night Elves and Worgen, even though it was the Horde that caused these races so much suffering, and now the Void Elves too.

Meanwhile, not a single Horde location has been made neutral for the Alliance. Suramar has its own phase for the Horde, even though the Alliance helped too. Silvermoon isn’t neutral, even though it was the Alliance that cleansed the Sunwell, Orgrimmar isn’t neutral, even though the Alliance helped free it twice. Undercity maybe? Nope.

How fair. 3 Alliance cities for the Horde, none for the Alliance.

“But Thunder Totem is neutral!” Yes… and so are Mechagon and the Vindicaar. So that’s two more Alliance locations vs. just one for the Horde.

Then the Horde gets a bunch of Gryphons with the next expansion. Does the Alliance get Wyverns in return? Nope.

Then there’s all the destroyed Alliance locations, so numerous now that you can’t even remember them all.

Teldrassil, forever destroyed. In return, there’s a small village somewhere on the edge of the Dragon Isles. How generous.
Undercity, of course, isn’t forever destroyed.
Then there’s Gilneas, plagued by the Horde for over 10 years, and now that it’s finally habitable again, they don’t even bother giving the Alliance a portal or flight master. But who has a flight master at Gilneas and can just walk into the city? Yep, the Horde.
Then the destruction of Ashenvale by the Horde, Southshore, Theramore, Brennadam, the whole Azshara thing, the Druid village in the Stonetalon Mountains, etc., and every time the Alliance just forgives and forgets.
To the point where they’re now making one new home after another accessible to the Horde.

What does the Horde do? Receives help from the Alliance at several cities and doesn’t make a single one neutral.

Honestly, if anyone from Blizzard reads this, which I highly doubt, just rip the band-aid off and delete the Alliance, since you’re gradually giving everything to the Horde anyway.
It doesn’t make a difference anymore, and the story is the same for everyone anyway. :dracthyr_shrug:

The two-faction system has never worked, but what the devs have been doing for years is just toxic to the core.

This game is at a point where all races and cities should just be neutral. So that you can choose your faction regardless of race and visit any city when not in War Mode. But if things are going to continue as they have been, the Alliance might as well be dissolved, because the Horde is getting pretty much everything over time and is generally being rewritten as the red Alliance.

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To look kyute :smiling_face:

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TLDR: waah :sob:

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What, does the EU not take the bait as easily?

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Since the game first released, people of both factions have been convinced that Blizzard favours the other ones and hate the one that they like.

Though the reality for modern WoW is Blizzard writes whatever they want with a complete disregard for both factions. The story is centered around whatever new faction they want to add in an expansion, and the handful of heroes who are going to interact with them.

Which has also led to complaints from Horde players because it’s looking like for TWW most of those heroes wear blue, even if the Alliance’s individual factions themselves are probably going to be irrelevant.

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Void elf were blood elf, which were high elf… so I would argue we do have an abundance of lore. As for the customizations, we have more options than the night born. Also, did you look at their standing position? They look like the’re trying to hold a fart…

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Every story needs a Hero, and the Hero certainly isn’t coming from the side with ugly barbarians with sticks and stones and mud huts.

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That’s the price to pay for “plot superiority” according to some deranged forum posters here, and the Horde has it rough.

I don’t buy it for a second, but then again, we can’t have 2 factions of heroes, so Alliance it is.

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Void Elves because of where they come from just share lore with Belves, but I think they might give them more in the future. I at least hope so.

It feels like Blizz still hates Gnomes.

People keep asking for variations of elves that come from the same race. I think that’s how that happens.

I don’t think any cities that were previously tied to factions should be neutral.

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I direct you toward Shrek.

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Probably bait, but:

What “improved model”? Playable Nightborne look nothing like the race they’re supposed to be. They used the Night Elf playable model, which was an obvious shortcut. NB had no model players could use that was rigged with the ability to wear armor and whatnot.

Somewhat recently (relatively speaking) player NB got one face option to narrow their eyes sort of like npc NB, and glowy fingertips. An improvement, but still a very far cry from the race they’re supposed to be.

As for Suramar, players get access to a very small portion of a phased Night hold. NB players don’t get anything more special than most players doing the Suramar story in Legion; it’s just a tiny portal room. While the hostile mobs don’t matter anymore, it’s still not a city hub.

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oh this is gonna be a fun thread to read.

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Not reading this TLDR wall of gibberish.

Anyone have the Cliff Notes?

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Instead of being lazy, they received an adapted model and now have as many, if not more, customizations than Night Elves.
In the story, they own all of Suramar, the largest elven city in the entire game, while simultaneously Darnassus was obliterated, leaving only a small village somewhere on the edge of the Dragon Isles, and even that doesn’t remain exclusive but is made neutral, just like Telogrus, Gilneas, Mechagon, and the Vindicaar, despite the Horde being the ones who destroyed Teldrassil, Darkshore, and Ashenvale. Not to mention the attacks in Stonetalon Mountains, Feralas or the broken deal over Azshara.

The Horde has its own phase that includes a city district, which is not accessible to the Alliance. How is that supposed to be fair? The Horde destroys countless Alliance territories and gains access to multiple zones. The Alliance helped the Horde in Silvermoon, Orgrimmar, hosted Baine and Mayla for several months in Stormwind to protect them from the Horde, and helped just as much with Suramar but gets access nowhere.

As I said, the counterpart to Suramar is a few tents in the middle of nowhere… and even that doesn’t remain exclusive but becomes accessible to the Horde. It’s completely disproportionate.

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What’s the point of the Horde anymore?

There is no point. You choose whichever faction you think is cooler and you play the game, it’s not that serious.

Personally, I wish any race could join any faction but they’ll probably end up just going factionless at some point :dracthyr_shrug:

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Fear not, soon it will be all alliance. Blizzard and the alliance would see the horde bend at the knee to their king. The horde leaders will be made all the more to eager to join. After all we have worked together several times and since we allowed to Sylvanas to be a thing the horde must be desolved and be made to pay for their war.

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Obviously you have not seen Orgrimmar on Moon Guard. Alliance can just walk in and take it over. They do on many occasions after wiping out the “guards” consisting of a fruit vendor.

I’d bequeath Undercity, but not even level 1 alts visit there by mistake because it’s a maze ruled by a mechanical Minotaur…known as Le elevator!

:dragon: :ocean: :dragon: :ocean:

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Compared to here, the EU is extremely chill.

The common place way of talking and debating here would be considered rude and aggressive and no one would put up with it.

Basically, EU just doesnt do drama or fighting.

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that was not the horde if you played that quest line garrosh hellscream was mad at the grunt who bombed it and threw him off the of the mountain

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The most sunday of posts.