I just don’t get it anymore. Why are we ALWAYS the last class to be considered in anything?
Destro is useless, we’re basically gimped fire mages with no dps and too many spells/rotation/conditions for the same dps (even if we get there).
Affliction is just a stupid version of Shadow
Demo? LOL.
This is my main, since 2009. And every. single. expansion. (except mop lol) I was FORCED to shelf him because of how BAD the dps is.
FIX THIS!
All three specs have been great in the past and need to be great again.
I am back to Destro, in pvp–like DEMO it makes you feel like you are doing something until you get stunned and silenced and everything stops working until; you are dead. It makes nice explosions.
Main destro since ever, 10+ years. They doesn’t care at all for the class, its just a hole to fill. They don’t even read this here.
You can check other class forums, its way more organized and some have blue attendance with a good frequency. I don’t even remember last time i saw a blue or a green here.
I just play as a lock because i feel old to learn a new class/spec, i preffer to mumble til i die to reroll. Sometimes i don’t even like what i’m doing in the game, i just do because i’m addicted and had nothing else to feel this time im using. Fun? I gived up fun since i finished the lore, just pain now.
Except Affliction is one of the top dps in raid and has been very high up in both Legion and BFA.
Was just thinking the same thing warlock is complete garbage
Stranger I mained a priest since BC, although have played every expansion. I came back and have it a try and frankly priest is boring a hell, shadow included.
Meanwhile I dust off an old Lock and affliction not only feels very different than shadow it’s been a hell of a lot more fun to level than my priest was. Shadow priest doesn’t feel fun to play, you literally get your dots up in a single global and mind blast/Flay until you can DP. When you void form it’s much the same except alternate between blast/void spike/DP whichever is up, and if you have death.
At least lock feels like I worked to set up my dots and my dots actually feel like they do more than gentle tickle the ballsack of my target, DP being the exception.
There is a reason I’m either gonna be mailing this chick or my rogue this expansion. Priest may be strong but it’s freaking boring garbage design and little more than a hollow shell of how good it was in it’s prime.
And probably hands-down the most boring spec to play. It’s completely uninteresting, has nothing special and, again, feels overly complicated (looking at timers for 3 dots, are you kidding me) for the same amount of damage as other dot classes.
Warlock feels like some unnecessarily convoluted, uninspired class. We have nothing special, actually, we have the bad versions of the features of every other class. This needs to stop. I had high hopes when I saw the Demo rework, but considering Destro and Aff are still in such bad spots, my hopes have wained.
BTW, don’t look at dps rankings, affliction is not that great for the effort required. It requires perfect timing with no mistakes whatsoever and simulationcraft is completely unrealistic in that regard.
I play warlock so I can be disappointed in game and IRL. Otherwise I’d set myself up with false expectations.
I can agree that the leveling experience is great. However, the endgame is not. We are trailing everywhere, and have been for way too long. Every expansion I eventually shelf my main and play either my mage or DK alt, it’s really depressing.
I’ve tried my best this expansion, I’m already 5/10 Heroic CN (I consider that to be decent), and I can 100% tell you that I’ve been in raid groups not because of my DPS but because there are so few warlocks playing that raid leaders will take a warlock because they want the easy summons.
This is where we’re standing. A class that gets picked just because of utilities that have nothing to do with actual dps. It’s so depressing. No surprise warlocks have consistently been the bottom 2-3 classes played for over 10 years.
Whilst you’re in the area, how are you finding life as a Kyrian Warlock? How’s scouring tithe? I like the idea of being able to Havoc cast it.
I just really dig the ‘vacation in Mykonos’ vibe the whole zone has.
I like it. Scouring tithe as destro is useful in movement-heavy encounters and it works nicely with Immolate and the shorter Conflag dots, so the DPS hit on movement is lessened.
I must admit that the stewart potions + cookie are also great, I’ve rarely died in any encounter so far because of the amount of self-healing it gives. And yeah, couldn’t ask for a better zone tbh 
Considering I don’t do much on the pve side anymore this doesn’t mean a whole lot to me. I know Locks are not ZOMG God tier either atm but honestly that doesn’t really bother me either. My initial post was more about playstyle of the classes and how it feels to play them.
DoTing as a warlock feels like it has a purpose, IE Malific Rupture and the crazy spread pressure it can create. By contrast Shadow Priest DoTs don’t really feel like they belong in the kit because the entier thing is about spamming your void form nukes and VT and SW:P are just there to look pretty. They don’t really have any actual synergy with the spec or class, they are effectively what Shadowbolt is for affliction except they can tickle a little bit.
I continue to play it because it was the first class i enjoyed enough to get max in vanilla and so i have always kept a max level warlock in the back pocket. I can’t tell you why but i just feel at home on warlock for some reason.
It’s sad to see how weak our dots are and how reliant on malefic the aff spec is. I don’t do destro much and i haven’t touched demo since demon hunters stole our defining ability.
Just the other day i was playing with a friend and they literally said “wait, does agony hit for less than 100???” i had to say “yes, it ramps up at the start” the response was about as amusing as you would expect. They later asked if seeing 1k crits was exciting from the aff lock perspective…coming from a condemn warrior that was absolutely crushing in rando BGs.
The spec does well over long raid encounters but M+ and unorganized PvP are a bit frustrating. I will never understand why Spriest dots get to hit so hard in comparison to warlocks, the entire class based on having damage over time. Also spriest gets amazing defense abilities, can off heal, mind games, grip, life swap, stun, and AOE fear… like… what??? Why do swp and vt get to tick so hard while having mind blast and all the mentioned utility. Is malefic really that strong that everything else outside UA dispels has to be that weak?
I’d trade some malefic damage for a boost to base dots in a heartbeat.
With the sacrolash legendary i still find ways to generally have fun in rando BGs. Just need to spam gates and portal everywhere you go.
I’m newer to WOW so I can’t speak for other expansion changes, but I ADORED maining my PVE demo lock the past couple years.
With the new expansion changes (6 SECONDS to summon a demon?! 100% the reason I die EVERY TIME - and he’s so squishy now I spend half my health healing him, and he bites it ANYWAY)
I’ve shelved my favourite character because the new gameplay is terrible. Please make warlocks (even slightly) awesome again, I’m having separation sadness.
I think the payoff comes from getting high MR numbers while being able to keep 8 different abilities on a boss. That is why I find aff to be fun. It actually requires you to pay attention. It’s on you if you don’t want to work to get results.
destro: twice the effort for half the payout
in general you play a lock casue they are best class thematically.
Every major threat (prior to SL and old god related) was due to a Warlock.
kil’jaden, gul’dan, ner’zul, archimonde, Sargeras himself, etc.
True warlock mains endure the bad times and good times.
last time demo was good was what…tbc/wrath for sl/sl builds?
BC when we had Firestones and were called Fire Locks. It just needs some tweaks. It still feel good questing anyway. I still have a Firestone in my bags, for good luck.
I’m benching my lock soon, at least for mythic+. The damage and ramp up are just too sad in mythic+. For a brief moment when I out geared most it was pretty decent but its just falling so hard now. Once my alt is geared enough the aff lock is gone from raids too. I hate the clunky painful rotation that is the single target rotation. The only fight it doesn’t feel like complete crap is Sludgefist.
We are the GODS of WoW!!!
Last time I went Demo was during BS/Wotlk for Arenas, that was fun. Otherwise, Demo has always felt like a joke spec to me.
Hell, the second I saw that DHs were going to be a thing in Legion (giving them Meta) I just thought Demo was truly a farce for Blizzard.