What’s the best now? I have Tempest of the Lightbringer. I do OK dps on mobs, but does nothing for the boss fights, my DPS goes way down.
Divine resonance is a viable option.
Most of the time this is correct if fort week go tempest if tyran week go resonance, there is however some dungeons where even in fort weeks resonance is better
Ret paladin DPS is considerably lower than other classes right now. Some of the best paladins out there do about 8k overall, but even in ToP this week your going to be lucky to break 7k.
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My girlfriend is the world ranked 12 ret and realm 1 in frostmourne. I’m ranked 6 on frostmourne.
Not to boast but it’s to demonstrate that I know what I’m talking about. Best m+ leggos are either Magistrates judgement or tempest. Divine resonance is good for pure st which we run in raids. For tyran weeks, MJ has value because trash still slows down a dungeon and MJ let’s you be competitive for trash clearing and still smash the boss.
For fortified weeks, tempest is usually the way to go unless you are in a dungeon with small pulls and mini-boss trash like TOP in which case we use MJ.
Hope this helps and as for damage, we do fine. I did 9.6k overall in a sd 19 this week. How much damage you deal is really dependant on your group comp and tank pulls.
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While the main point of this thread isn’t to compare to other classes, but 9.6k overall in a SD Fortified is bang average… And I don’t mean that as a ‘you’ problem, it’s a Ret pally problem. We’re very lacking in m+
Anyway, Tempest for Fort weeks, Divine resonance for Tyrannical weeks (and i’d use it for TOP Fortified weeks and/or any other dungeons you need priority/ST damage in like bolstering weeks etc)
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It would have been more than 9.6 but with 20 deaths, it brought the overall down quite a bit.
In any case, what would you consider to be high? Have to disagree with DR for tyrannical weeks. Trash is still a factor and DR isn’t great for trash.
That’s fair. 20 deaths overall would drag down the dps for sure.
I say DR because a solid comp/group would bring a spec to obliterate trash and then 2 others that would be the ST/boss focus, generally. A ret pally can’t play the trash-killer as well as other specs (we’re good, but not good enough to bring as the sole trash wrecker here unlike a monk, hunter, warrior, mage, etc) so
For a SD with good lantern usage, 12-14k is very achievable by most specs now
Depends if you are using Warcraft logs, which calculates run time and out of combat time as 0 dps, or recount/details. I have been with other ret paladins pushing 10k dps overall.
This is completely false rets above average in keys and do well over 8k. maybe 8k if u pull 3 mobs at a time lol
Right… But 8k is relatively low compared to other melee that bring far more utility. My DH buddy is always doing overall around 11k.
8k is the player, not the class. Reading comprehension.
I know you’re just trolling at this point, but okay. Just look at MDI team comps. Ret is not there.
Prot and Holy are banking though. Ret is just very undertuned, and does not have as much utility.
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What’s trolling? Calling out your misinformation? Ret Paladins frequently push 10k+ overall dps. Idk where you are getting your 8k from.
I also never said they are meta so don’t put words in my mouth. You bringing up MDI is laughable. Players pushing MDI or world firsts switch classes and specs for a 1% increase. It doesn’t mean Ret is undertuned.
Ret also has plenty of utility, it’s just rare to find players who use them.
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Fair points all around, pretty surprised we still timed the SD with 20 deaths but everyone still pulled approx 9.8 - 9.4. Havoc DH, Frost Mage and myself. We had about 1:40 left on the clock? I also watched my girlfriend do a mists 21 with a ww monk, outlaw rogue and herself as ret. End numbers were ww monk 15k (yes really), ret 9.9k rogue 9.7k
Also watched other guildies time a 21 and 22 SD earlier today and they had good lantern uptime and still only managed 11k at the top end with an arms war, frost mage and aff lock. Still timed the 21 with 5 mins to spare.
Not doing all this to call you out but you must run with some absolute pumpers to be seeing those numbers.
Honestly I feel DR is really niche. I do agree with you that rets can’t be the primary trash killer but we can still pull respectable numbers on big trash pulls in heavy trash dungeons like DOS. If your group is capable of carrying the trash and need more ST then yeah, I can see you running DR. But at least for me, MJ and DR sims less than 100 dps difference on patchwerk and MJ would make a clear difference for trash while DR does not.
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WW monks are absolutely, undoubtedly busted in keys.
Sadly. And they bring very good utility.
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So what’s the verdict run tempest or DR? I have been running DR so far and doing good in mythic but I don’t really run higher keys as I mostly PUG and it’s hard to get in to groups over 14. I am still ranked 2 on my server hahaha. Barely anyone play this class on Mythic, I pull about 7k dps overall on PUGS and such.
Pugging isn’t really an excuse, I mainly pug and currently timed 6/8 +20 this week. At your ilvl, 241, 7k dps is very low. That’s how much people were doing in season 1 with 226 gear. I’m frequently pushing close to 7k overall as a tank.
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Interesting as I have yet to see anyone doing over 8k dps in all the pugs I ran. Let alone tanks. Maybe you can share some knowledge in where i am/we are going wrong ?
It’s such a broad question where I have nothing to go by. Overall, most dps loss happens due to two reasons.
-Avoidable deaths/wipes
-Holding CDs
As a paladin, you really cannot afford to hold cds for the most part. Especially since they are so short. If you are dying, that’s a big problem. Unless it’s a group wipe, you are in control of where you are standing. Don’t forget to use defensives like BoP and LoH. Don’t forget to cleanse yourself. Dying even as melee is not an excuse and is a huge dps loss, especially if its during your cd up time.