Whata the point of normal raiding?

get equivelant gear out of low keys and easy delves. Champion gear is much easier to acquire outside the raid and honestly the amount of loot you get sucks as well. At least make the last two bosses give heroic track or something. Its just feels pointless now.

What’s the point of Heroic raiding?

Glided crests are impossible to farm. I’d rather just spam M+7s.

you get to experience the content and storyline.

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Tier and trinkets really and special gear.

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Trinkets mostly and it’s more accessible than heroic. Truth is a trinket from normal raid is going to be better than most trinkets from mythic+ at any level

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Practice for heroic raids and easier to obtain tier and high value trinkets.

wahts the point of playing the game if your only goal is to get higher ilvl?

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cool lets make all progress cosmetic or horizontal and see how long the game lasts

Oh no, the sweatiest 5% of players who struggle to clear mythic wont be able to outgear nerfed content.

You get more loot, crests and valorstones per hour doing a normal raid than any other content

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Cause difficulty is relative? Normal raiding is progression content for many players.

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No everyone wants to do M+. In fact, for a LOT of people even getting into a M+ is a nightmare that takes forever. I’ve been over geared for low M+ and still not gotten into groups because they want specific classes.

Some people do them to gear alts.
Some people don’t want to do solo content like delves.
Some people are farming a xmog, toy or mount.

If you don’t want to do normal raids, don’t. But plenty of people want to do them, so they do.

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Simple. Raiding is fun. M+ isn’t.

From what I remember, Normal was supposed to be the “beer league” mode of raiding for groups of casual friends who wanted to experience the content but could handle more than lfr. Not everyone raids just for the gear. Some people think it is fun.

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another shot at tier, specific trinkets.

usually it doesn’t work and just feels bad not getting any gear

It’s fun and helps you learn the fights for heroic. If you don’t like it then don’t do it.

Gearing is a vicious cycle that’s somehow entertaining.

Especially the really good items.

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That’s very subjective. I find M+ a lot more fun than raiding, which mostly consists of waiting around for 3-5 people to finish feeding their cat or changing the kids diapers so that we can pull. And being farmed by trash for 20 minutes because spending 1 minute killing it was a waste of time.

There’s also the fact that you can do M+ many more times per week than you can raid. A normal clear takes less than 2 hours for most people. What are you doing the rest of the week? That is a big part of the reason for the popularity of M+.

Thats easy to answer. Since most guilds raid 2 nights a week, it gives prospective guild members a chance to see the fight in its base form before you throw them to the wolves in Heroic. Most fights in raids wipe because of basic mechanics. If the base mechanics become muscle memory, then Heroics will be easier to adapt to and the group will have more fun. More fun equals more pulls. More pulls equals more kills. More kills equals more chances for loot. More loot equals more challenges. More challenges…you get it.