What would you like to see in the story?

What would you like to see in the story? Can be anything. Racial narratives, factional narratives, etcetera. What would you like to see in the story that would in your opinion improve it for the better? Can change stuff that’s happened in the past, because why not. I’ll throw in a couple of my takes.

A racial narrative I’d be interested in is a Shu’halo unification, by this I mean having the Kalimdor Tauren forge stronger ties with the Taunka of Northrend and Highmountain on the Broken Isles. Display Baine Bloodhoof working alongside Mayla Highmountain, Roanauk Icemist, Jevan Grimtotem, etcetera to build more prominent and visible bonds; sharing with them their culture and strengths. The Kalimdor Tauren could share with them the training and culture of the Sunwalkers and Seers (already done in the case of the Seers), the Taunka could provide their knowledge on how to survive in even the most hellish of environments; Northrend was after all, not a warm place (in more ways then one) to be in.

The Highmountain could in turn share with them their techniques of eagle-riding and bonding with them, their blacksmithing expertise and the knowledge of their Spiritwalkers and shaman. Considering MoP’s on the mind, I’ll also toss in the Yaungol. The tauren leaders could work to build bonds with their ancestors, either to bring them in the Horde outright or simply ally with the Yaungol on their own, perhaps utilizing Karak the Defeated or even Ordos himself for this purpose. While one could shove all the tauren into Thunder Bluff & Mulgore, I think that’s a bit boring; this could be reflected by showing settlements of the various races in each other’s lands. Highmountain buildings in Mulgore, Taunka and Kalimdor Tauren dwellings in Highmountain, so on and so forth. It would also be reflected in more presence of Highmountain Seers and the new appearances of Highmountain & Taunka sunwalkers as well as Taunka seers, and last but not least it could also be shown in a retaking and restoration of Icemist Village.

For something that’s changed? Human Heritage. The Heritage focused on Stormwind, and that’s fine but it was a bit boring. The Orcs got the presence of their clans back, the Humans should be afforded the presence of their nations in a similar fashion. I’d have written the heritage to be about Human unification calling back to the Council of Seven Nations and/or the old Arathor Empire; how if anything that can be said about them, when banded together Humans are survivors and are capable of many great feats of strength that have shaped Azeroth’s history in some form or another such as the formation of the Kirin Tor, establishing Theramore, the legacy of the Guardian of Tirisfal, what in the right hands the power of the Ashbringer is capable of (though this is also shared by the Highlord of the Silver Hand in Legion who can be any race)

Stromgarde - King Danath Trollbane
Lordaeron - Not a nation in any capacity in the present day but was once a notable one all the same. Possibly Turalyon, though Sky Admiral Rogers is an option (and my ideal pick)
Stormwind - Possibly Turalyon again, though he’s not my ideal pick here; my ideal pick here would be General Hammond Clay.
Dalaran - Not an Alliance nation let alone a solely human one in the present day, but Nazgrim and Rittsyn showed up for the Orcs despite being Ebon Blade and Black Harvest respectively so fair’s fair, even if they weren’t representing the Warsong and Bleeding Hollow clans respectively. Ansirem Runeweaver.
Alterac - Not an Alliance nation, or a nation at all but they’re underrated and it’d do well to give the Alteraci a refreshed spotlight. General Hath.
Gilneas - Either Darius Crowley (my ideal pick, i’m tired of the Greymane clan when it comes to Gilnean plots) or bring Bradensbrook into the Alliance with Mayor Heathrow.
Kul Tiras - Fair bit of options. Lucille Waycrest, Cyrus Crestfall, Taelia Fordragon or my ideal pick – Tandred Proudmoore.

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race wars again

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I’d love to see the Alliance be in the morally wrong for once.

God, it becomes so sickeningly predictable, eyeroll and infuriating to CONSTANTLY be the villified faction again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again (40,567 and again’s later) and again!

Especially sick of the virtue-signalling :roll_eyes: Like man, I’m not even surprised or much sympathetic about Horde doing “evil” or “horrendous” things to others anymore … I’m burnt out. It’s hardly surprising, I don’t consider myself a part of the faction that committed the action – just part of the people within the faction who had to act in on ‘Damage Control’ and conveniently fight in order to survive the retaliation :joy:

For settlements, I’d love –

  • Gilneas to be fleshed out into a fully functioning city for the Alliance.
  • Gnomeregan to be fleshed out, updated – Given titan-tech (akin to Mimiron’s tech in Ulduar) for the Alliance — Same with MECHAGON – Have a portal or strange-room that conveniently transports you to the other seamlessly (like some Karazhan / Zaralek Caverns thing).
  • Old-Ironforge fleshed out, updated and perhaps given some cool significance to being down there (even if its a new ‘BRAWLERS GUILD’ location for Alliance)
  • Eastern Plaguelands to be restored into ‘Eastern Lordaeron’ – with Stratholme made into a holy city, being a priest & paladin bastion for both factions.
  • Have Kezan restored as a Goblin city, with actually impressive tech (give Goblins some room to shine once in a while without having it blow in their faces) — Along with two race-tracks & a racing game mode accessible there. One for mechanical mounts only, and another for all sorts of ground mounts. :racing_car: :horse_racing:

Immense Zone Update: Durotar & the Northern Barrens

Durotar needs a massive makeover.

  • Have an outburst overflow of life-energies or something with some ritual gone wrong – combined with Gorgrond + Stranglethorn seeds with the Botani that infiltrated our timeline having planted around and the trolls hoping to make a home more like their old one in due time – Both happening rapidly fast.
  • Have an elemental energy confluence happen at the time with said-distrupted ritual, making the elemental energies that once laid dormant erupt with power — Causing elementals to rise.
  • Have ancient flora from the pre-Sundering days erupt with life too, which ironically give the Botani in the area trouble as well — So much as them fighting off the strange nature.

You could conveniently have some friendly elementals + friendly nature beings work with one another and become allies with to overcome our new threats via quests)

Immense Zone Update: Northern Barrens

  • Overflow Durotar’s predicament into the Northern Barrens to the further extent that the overflow of life, elemental and ancient energies is far more potent — So much so that it becomes renamed to its old title from before the Sundering: Then’Ralore – due to being transformed into lush wilds that would even rival the former glory of Ashenvale.

Due to the massive uproot of trees, lakes, the odd river and return of ancient species – Have it speculated there might be more at play than a simple ritual gone wrong … Ultimately coming to the discovery it was several rituals unlinked to one another, along with a phenomenon all colliding at once:

  • Night Elf Rituals of restoring forests in Ashenvale, along with setting up a spiritual barrier to bar the Horde out.
  • Druids reattempting to use the steam-system of Wailing Caverns to rejouvenate the drought areas of the Barrens.
  • Various elemental lords vying to attain elemental energies & powers deep within
  • Botani attempting a ritual to awaken life of seeds they brought from Gorgrond.
  • Conveniently at the same time, like per above – Orcs with flora & seeds brought from both Outland and the alternate reality Draenor, using a ritual to reawaken & grow them for returned a fondness of their former home.
  • Trolls using preserved seeds & flora from both Stranglethorn and the Darkspear Isles, to do the same as the orcs above — Grow them, in attempting to bring a semblance of their former home to their new one.

And most importantly … A time-anomaly that had unknowingly drifted from a rip in time nearby (From when the alternate Draenor orcs were brought through) – had sparked a cataclysm of events, bringing back beings from the dead – accelerating the growth of plant-life & the land itself, along with disrupting all the rituals into a cocktail of chaos. :scream:

New stories occurred from such events examples would be:

  • Elemental Lords seeking to rise in power – Whether benevolent or dominating.
  • Centaur posing a dire threat once more – Seeking to establish settlements quickly, rise in power and reclaim their former terror & glory.
  • Botani threats.
  • Night Elves seeking to claim the new lush lands as their own, before the Horde manage to recoup and grip their dominance upon it .
  • New creatures.
  • Wild god Agamaggan restored.
  • New loa, reawakened & restored once more.
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It’s so weird, because no one ever said:

“I want the Starks to be in the morally wrong for once. I am so tired of the Lannisters getting villified again and again”

Literally no one. Why is the WoW fandom the ONLY fandom in existence that just can’t accept a clear “good guy” side?

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Good thing this isn’t Game of Thrones. :smiley:

:roll_eyes: Not to mention, every faction has faults — Having an entire faction unanimously as “the good guy” without fault, is a massive problematic cliche for storytelling.

WoW is hardly the only fandom “in existence” that can’t accept a clear “good guy” side — not to mention, I’m not asking the good guys to be made bad guys and their whole moral-alignment be flipped totally & forever :face_with_raised_eyebrow: … Merely just make things ACTUALLY morally grey for once … You know, how Blizzard keep telling us things are between the factions, despite being obviously otherwise :joy: lol

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Yeah, Game of Thrones is infinitely more nuanced, morally grey, and complex than WoW could ever hope to be. :smiley:

The Alliance has no flaws.

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And that’s a major problem

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That’s sort of the point I’m trying to make.
… So :clap: Thankyou for acknowledging it. :smiley:

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You dislike the Alliance because it has no flaws.

I like the Alliance because it has no flaws.

We are not the same. :sunglasses:

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Thank the gods for that :blush:

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Alliance did some unapologetic evils in the past, but nothing on the level of Path of Glory or Teldrassil.

One thing to consider is that horde was always the edgy faction, the alliance was always meant to be the more standard fantasy hero tropes, but the evil in it was always more discrete. So It kinda makes sense that the horde had two really nuts warchiefs (and I bet the original plan was to Garrosh to be the only one, with Sylvanas just being morally grey, a hero for the horde, a villain for the alliance).

Genn ordering an attack on Sylvanas was plain wrong, no matter how in hindsight it was a good thing that ended up stopping her from controlling Odyn’s Val’kyr. The alliance’s ideals taken to extremes breed people like Garithos, the Scarlets and so on, they give space for manipulators like Onyxia to rise.

On the topic at hand, what i want to see?

1 - Stick with faction peace or faction conflict, the flip flop to me is more annoying than either option, either Alliance and Horde remain at peace with the occasional banther, or they become enemies for good and villains for each other.

2 - Monks being relevant to plotlines, doing cool stuff, show the growth of martial disciplines across the nations in contrast with the original pandaren martial arts.

3 - Explore the magic system more, even though we have a whole cosmology chart which specify the forces that move the world, we have no insight on how the characters wield these forces besides mages warlocks and shamans and even for those is kinda not well explained at all.

4 - More mundane and small stories, local heroes, characters rising to important roles not for who they are but what they have done, move away from the narrative focused on specific characters.

5 - New scenarios again.

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The Alliance does have flaws though.
But they’re rarely put into spotlight – especially in correlation with the Horde.

That’s the ultimate point I was making.
For instance, I know one flaw of a particular individual within their ranks who is clearly delusional … :eyes: I’ve even been arguing with them on the forums. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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As was the Horde suddenly stricking at the Alliance in Ashran.

Who hates Elves and saw their lives are meaningless, same as Warchief Garrosh.

Possessed by a Dreadlord from the shadows.

She literally used a magical McGuffin amulet to mind-control the nobles.

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General things I’d like?

I’d like different faction content, like we got from Classic to BfA, back. I don’t have a reason to play my horde characters for 4+ years because everything is basically the same. Boring and lazy.

Next, I’d like faction conflict back, probably not as a main theme, but it would be nice to have some Alliance vs Horde quests that lead into a new battleground, for example.

Specific in game things I’d like to see? Oh, there are dozens. What comes to my head right now:

  1. Purified Stratholme as an Alliance capital in Midnight
  2. Hillsbrad being revamped (featuring rebuild Southshore) into an AvH themed zone that leads to a revamp of Alterac Valley, Human + Dwarf vs Orc + Forsaken, General Hath leads some loyal remnants of the Alterac humans back to the Alliance, they attack Frostwolves with the support of Southshore and Stormpikes (maybe even Gilneas, Crowley should still hold a grudge against the Horde after all) and Forsaken come to their aid
  3. Gilneas and Stromgarde becoming proper ALLIANCE cities with NPCs, portals and other bling, no neutral Bel’Ameth crap please (and give me the Arathor tabard, it’s in game since classic but completely unobtainable)
  4. Unemployed Kirin Tor mages (post Dalaran crash) rejoining Alliance and reforming the Conjurers of Stormwind, a concept forgotten since WarCraft 1, 30 (!) years ago
  5. Brotherhood of the Horse reformed in a similar fashion
  6. I want an actual in game naval battle, I am still hurt this didn’t happen in BfA, it was a perfect opportunity, closest we got was in MoP with Battle on the High Seas
  7. Kul Tiran vs Zandalari themed battleground, seriously, where is it?
  8. Some sweet WarCraft 2 themed Lordaeron themed mogs and warhorses

And I could go on and on. But I think you get the point.

EDIT: I forgot the Barrens warfront / faction battle content. I was hyped for my Nortwatch boys since BfA beta and Blizzard, as is usual, didn’t deliver. Bonus points for featuring the man himself, Keep Watcher Kerry.

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It was revealed many nobles of the Alliance were simply bribed into turning a blind eye, committing atrocities or merely screwing over the people for their own benefit & to line their own pockets.

Fortunately for the Alliance however, Anduin had the forward-thinking of making an enemy into an ally – By hiring Vanessa VanCleef to weed such corruption out (as it played the ultimate downfall for her father & his co-workers).

For now, I would like to see the Mechagnomes and Zandalari exploring Khaz Algar for titan history and technology. :world_map::robot:

Where is this stated? And what “atrocities” were committed? This is pure fanfiction, not interested.

And Yeah, Anduin actually uses diplomacy and negotiation, unlike the zug zug me smash side that only massacres people. No surprise there.

lol “Pure Fanfiction” eh? …

It’s in the human-heritage questline :joy:

It’s even referenced in the quest ‘A window to the Past’ that the amulet wasn’t COMPLETE mind control. :smiley: And as pointed out in the same quest – Many of the nobles already hated the common people … So yes, there was corruption within the Alliance.

You doubting such on the other-hand, is more on the lines of said fan-fiction and by extension, our thoughts to that will ultimately be: “Not interested”

Again, where is it stated that “many” nobles were committing “atrocities” on the people?

Answer this question or the exchange is over, not wasting My time.

My mistake you’re right it doesn’t say ‘many’ … It just says ‘the nobles’ implying they were corrupt as a whole :face_with_hand_over_mouth: Oops!

Also as for the “where” — I literally already sourced:

:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

You’re sure to waste your time if you can’t read.