I am curious what the game would look it if RMP was not so strong
would we still have the same strong classes playing like LOCKS and DK and DH’s?
but with no real predator?
who would be the top alpha comp?
what would dominate AWC ? The ladder?
what would the complaint threads look like?
Jungle Cleave
I would enjoy knowing I don’t have to use every CD in phase 1 of the boss fight.
its one of those philosphical questions where even if u answer it, its meaningless because the scenario will never manifest
but i think ww monks would become a lot more common
It would look playable.
dps shaman probably would too
Demo locks and DK’s.
Oh, wait that’s right now…
RMP already isn’t king for 90% of the player base. It’s just people running Fury/Ret/X, running in, and dumping everything they’ve got immediately and hoping they kill through walls.
All the fotm players would still exist, nothing changes here. RMP isn’t FoTm, RMP is a safe choice.
Probably jungle or thug, followed by the best braindead fotm comp.
Balancing issues over jungle / thug being too strong because frost trap clone setups are impossible to deal with, how cyclone should have a 30 second CD and should DR with trap etc etc.
Bad players will always blame their inability to get better on someone or something else, obviously there’s situations where you’re kinda SOL (Unholy DK, Sepsis Rogue, etc) but there’s still a LITTLE counterplay - albeit smaller than against other specs.
Honestly what makes RMP over the top is hpriest & rogue currently - specifically hpriest’s instant tradeoffs combined with their strong healing and having chastise. Disc RMP would still be scary but wouldn’t be as dominant as hpriest version.
With rogues, its just a bunch of things that contribute to making that specific comp unbearable. For kyr sub, having 2 steps, shadowstep extra range, and shadowy duel being paired with mage/hpriest perks makes it ridiculously hard to deal with in general. For outlaw, basically things like CDRs (particularly vanish legendary), longer range for blind, and longer duration kidney shot makes the comp feel like a total anomaly.
You see ret war more because it’s easier to play at lower cr which is just caused by people not knowing how to trade into it correctly. However RMP is still king and still seen very often at these lower cr games and is far more disgusting than ret war.
At least you can win if ret war makes too many mistakes but an RMP can literally fail in every way possible for the entire match and win just because they got a single thing right. It’s insane.
It shouldn’t be. Every comp should be viable ideally but realistically the best way to have a healthy meta is to just rotate the comps and their viability.
No it’s literally all 3 classes that are making it over the top. All the classes are tanks that you can’t punish for playing poorly and have too many safety nets involved.
My implication was that rogues and hpriests being relatively more unsettling to deal with makes the comp feel invulnerable. Fire mages are unpleasant rn because of barrier healing conduit and blazing soul’s barrier honestly. But then again, I do think fire will be punishable to great extents if hpriest/rogues get a solid nerf. They’ll still be relatively tanky, but certainly not as tanky as they were in earlier seasons of SL.
That was my point. lol Most of the player base isn’t 2200±-so RMP isn’t really a big deal to most of us. Which is why you saw me make a ‘Nerf Fury’ post a couple weeks ago. It’s hard for me to get upset about a comp that I might legitimately play into 1 out of every 10 matches.
Or RM for me, rather, as I don’t really do 3’s much.
You’re still level 10, idk how you’re playing arenas when you haven’t actually leveled at all.
Then you’d end up with a Gw2 style FoTm rotation where everyone just plays what the best comp is and nothing else, there would be no diversity and it would be almost exclusively mirrors or the same match-ups every season.
Scripted gameplay isn’t fun.
Cap, Rogue and Mage are only as good as the people playing it. Otherwise Ret / Warr wouldn’t be a thing, DH / DK and Lock / DK wouldn’t exist, and we would purely see RMX on the ladder which isn’t the case.
It’s combination of all that along with blink stun and things like the super low cds on db and ring that make it feel bad. The comp would be far easier to handle if anyone in the comp could die but literally all 3 have multiple answers to everything.
It would be better but even with nerfs to the other 2 fire just has to much going on.
This is really it imo. In 3s at low cr you can run into ret war and rmp tons but in 2s it’s certainly different. Though 2s are a whole different ball game of disgusting that needs other things talked about first like hunters and outlaw.
Fixed that for you.
This is pretty much the case already though. Comp rotation with frequent balancing literally promotes sticking with your main since you could be good at any moment. These seasons with no changes just promote what you’re talking about.
There’d be plenty of diversity, far more than we’ve got atm.
It already is.
Wow thanks Einstein. Doesn’t change that it’s a failproof comp that anyone who understands the basics of pvp can play and jump 400+ cr than they’re currently stuck at.
There’s tons of reasons why people do or don’t play certain comps. You don’t understand what makes up ladder health and are in some heavy denial about braindead rmp is.
Man really said RMP isn’t scripted gameplay lol
Right, at the end of the day it points us to a variety of things coming together making fire difficult to deal with. I genuinely don’t mind fire’s short cd utility and multi casting schools as long as blazing soul talent is nerfed greatly and barrier healing & blink conduit are removed.
what .
quote me on where I said RMP was scripted and I’ll paypal you $100 rn
When rmp isn’t around there’s way more ret warriors that exist, but demo lock comps do pretty well into those anyways, and they do well into rmp as well now especially demo dk so it’s kinda rock paper scissors