What would it take to restore your confidence in Blizzard?

What would it take to restore my confidence in Blizzard?

Consistent results.

As of late, Blizzard has a long record of missing the mark they set for themselves.

  1. BfA was supposed to be an expansion about faction pride! The Horde can be proud of being genocidal zealots willing to follow the nearest zombie that shouts, “Lok’tar Ogar”, and the Alliance can be proud of being humans or having your house burnt down.
  2. Azerite armor was supposed to fix the problems Artifacts had. They didn’t playtest this gimmick at all before it came out.
  3. Corruption was supposed to replace titanforging as a cool, new bit of RNG. It still had the problems of titanforging, but with a different coat of paint.
  4. Island expeditions were supposed to be entirely new content generated each game! But, they all felt the same.
  5. Warfronts.
  6. The art team has gotten the budget for brilliant, CGI and more animations than they know what to do with! But, the story team is too far up their own rears to put together a single, satisfying beat.
  7. Garrisons were supposed to be player housing! They most certainly were not.
  8. A chief complaint of BfA was having too many overlapping systems and chores. They kept chores in Shadowlands, but reduced them to weekly instead of daily. However, the made the rewards cost too much to ever reasonably see. And then they started Shadowlands off with just as many systems as BfA had to end with!
  9. They led us to believe customization was going to last all expansion, but they still missed some big fan requests, and the discrepancy between the top and bottom races is laughable.
Prediction on 9.1 Screw Up

They’ve said they’re going to scrap the rep grind requirements for flying. Which sounds great, but they’re instead making us farm renown for it. I’m going to guess the grind is just as long and tedious for Shadowlands flying as it was for Legion and BfA, because Blizzard hasn’t figured out (or don’t care) why we didn’t like the rep grind.

So… I’ve seen a ton of suggestions I agree with.

Yes, I’d love to see Kotick kicked just as much as the next guy. I wish Hazzikostas and Danuser were replaced (maybe not fired, but like… returned to an individual contributor role). I’d love to see player housing and improved feedback and more customization and a better story and an old-world update.

However, none of that guarantees that any of it will be good. Blizzard just has a talent of taking a good, simple idea and implementing it precisely the wrong way. Replacing Hazzikostas and Danuser doesn’t mean we’ll get a better replacement. They’ve already messed up player housing once. They’ve already missed the mark on customization. They think they’re telling an amazing story right now, and some people are lapping it all up.

Frankly, I want to see them make another Legion. Sure, Legion had its flaws, but it didn’t beat you over the head with them like BfA and Shadowlands have. An expansion that isn’t perfect, but is simple and enjoyable. That takes the highlights of the game and builds on them and doesn’t try to reinvent the core gameplay loop of WoW. That tells a simple story, but a fun one.

Then, I want to see them do it again. Look at WoD, Legion, BfA, and now Shadowlands. Legion is really shaping up to be a “one hit wonder”, like they just stumbled into fun design. If they want my confidence? They need to be able to make Legion consistently.

There is no short-term fix that could restore my confidence in Blizzard. It would take at least two expansions of consistently creating an enjoyable gameplay and story experience. Of making promises and delivering on them. Then take that, and make three-out-of-four expansions good! Make the bad expansions the exception instead of the rule, and then I’ll have confidence in them again.

And if they could wipe those smug grins off their faces while they do it? All the better.

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At this point, I would love to see the Jailer “win” and have them start a brand new, “WoW 2” type of thing. Would be even better if it was separate from Activision altogether. Like if Mike Morhaime somehow was able to buy the whole Blizzard studio and their IPs from Activision.
Realistically, I know the borrowed power stuff is old at this point, but the talent trees could only get so big. I think I understand the necessity of borrowed power, but finding ways to integrate those powers over multiple expansions would be better than what we have now. World of Systems-craft is tiring and something simpler would be much appreciated.

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Let’s gooooo!!!

Tbh none of my problems with the expansion are enough to make me stop playing it, and I am not super upset with the game as it is right now.

But Activision needs to go, and I have been saying that for years. That would be a good start.

Along with the Anduin thing.

Hiring me as the PvP lead :stuck_out_tongue:

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This. And then rehiring all the old staff. And then reverting the game back to Mists, since that was the last time I was fully engaged with the gameplay systems. Preferably Wrath since I want my ability to glyph my mage out to where I can fling people off cliffs with my fiery taco fart of doom and stun them with my spicy dragon breath. Not in that order, but I want to do that again. I could guard Lumber Mill in AB single handedly doing that and I miss the rage when Alliance would go sailing to their doom.

Make at least two good expansions in a row.

I wouldn’t think this would be that difficult, given their pedigree, but…

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Unpopular opinion regarding Activision… but I don’t know if Blizzard and Activision are really possible to distinguish from each other anymore. People have been talking for years about how Activision ruined Blizzard and by extension World of Warcraft but… Activision and Blizzard merged 5 months before the release of Wrath of the Lich King. The vast majority of this game’s history, and the most popular expansions, were under Activision’s purview.

If it’s true that Activision is the reason for the decline of Blizzard as a company… it’s been too long now. The unfortunate reality is that Blizzard IS Activision now. There’s really no separating them. Especially with Metzen gone.

The “Activision is the reason this game sucks” excuse really doesn’t seem to be relevant since Cataclysm, from where I’m sitting. Blizz and Activision are now very much entertwined.

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Make Anduin kiss Bonbi kuttique

Yeah I agree – though I do feel (personally) that the game really was peak during TBC and early wrath. WotLK was great but many mark it as the start of serious decline. The cash shop debut w/ the celestial steed, the ability to queue up from anywhere – WotLK didn’t start with them, but it did end with them. These things were blamed on Activision but like you said, they were merged.

This (unsure how accurate it is) puts the peak at Wrath/Cata: https: //www.reddit.
com/r/wow/comments/acqhph/i_estimated_subscriber_numbers_using_google_trend/

Though I think it’s a bit deceptive because what you don’t see from graphs like that is huge chunks of the initial playerbase leaving while huge new chunks come in.

By the end of Wrath, I’d say less than 10% of the people I knew from Vanilla to the start of Wrath still played. This isn’t just people I played with or knew from guilds, this includes server pop stars, trade chat trolls, people in other guilds etc.

I think the trick would have been to continue to growing the game without alienating the people who made it a success in the first place.

If they pulled that off, we’d probably have 40M subs right now.

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I started playing as a paying subscriber in Cata (played a bit on a friends account in wrath but that was mostly low level questing so I don’t really count it) so I may not be qualified to speak to this too much but… looking at it retroactively…

BC was some of the worst storytelling in this game’s history.

We went through the Dark Portal pretty much only because it opened. We kinda went and killed Illidan just because he was there. The Blood Elf community mourned the death of Kael’thas who was inexplicably hit so hard with the villain bat that he just went crazy, despite his Warcraft 3 development showing him to be someone driven by a desire to help his people.

The orc lore we got was inconsistent and confusing (Garrosh being presented as younger than Thrall for instance, when he simply had to have been older, if you’re to follow the timeline). Not much in the way of clan diversity, just the fel ones and the uncorrupted ones. The Draenei lore wasn’t much better in some respects - there was debate right up until WoD exactly how long the Draenei had been on Draenor for.

Again I’m looking at it retroactively but it’s literally my least favourite place to visit when I’m leveling haha.

I guess I can see that, from a gameplay perspective though, it became less community oriented.

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re-releasing HOTS as a fighting game

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The story was definitely silly. But I was a rogue on a pvp server and it was glorious. The community was so tight, and the lack of convenience made the community form e.g. forming groups and running to stones to summon etc.

Fun RPG elements for rogues too, like forming up groups with 2-3 rogues to go into heroics and farm chests, because chests in heroics used to be a thing haha

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First time I’m hearing this. Thrall was born between the events of WarCraft 1 and 2. Grommash Hellscream didn’t cross over into Azeroth until the events of Beyond the Dark Portal (Indeed, it was Hellscream’s raids into Azeroth that convinced the Alliance something had to be done to stem the Horde flowing through the Portal), which were set after WarCraft 2.

So it’s conceivable that Garrosh was born after Thrall, but him having brown skin in that instance is a little suspect since Grom would have long drank the demon blood at the point Garrosh was conceived.

But Blizzard’s been wildly inconsistent on the physical effects of Demon Blood (Most AU Orcs going a ruddy, purplish hue rather than green), so really…Garrosh being younger than Thrall is perfectly fine in terms of the timeline.

I never enjoyed Outland. TBC was a good expansion for smoothing out much of the core gameplay of WoW and streamlining it (it’s why I look at early WoW as Vanilla was the alpha, TBC was the beta and Wrath was the full release) but there was practically no story or interesting lore.

Like I never even play Frozen Throne for Warcraft 3 so all of the characters and lore beyond Illidan had zero impact on me. Nagrand was the only zone that really stood out and there was just…Not much to do if you weren’t all about that raid life.

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It says something about Burning Crusade when Nagrand is universally considered the best zone and it is the most…mundane looking. Sure it’s got floating islands, but that’s it. Otherwise it’s basically Space Nebraska.

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golka, garrosh’s mother, died at an unknown date prior to the orcs even drinking felblood (lords of war, after all, was a retelling of what maraad knew of the orcish warlords OF OUR TIMELINE) golka’s death is also noted to be what caused the rebirth of the warsong clan and the beginning of grommash’s legend.

and by the time of the second war, garrosh was old enough to ask kargath if he could fight with his father.

garrosh has like, bare minimum, 5-7 years up on thrall.

edit: the timeline makes me go :pensive:

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Ah, right. I’d forgotten about that bit of the lore. Of course, this presumes Maraad actually was telling about the warlords of our Timeline at all. Sometimes, I don’t think even Blizzard knows.

I would play a Blizzard version of Mario-Kart.

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Anywhere in Overwatch that they have arcade cabinets there’s a game on display called Fighters of the Storm and I would 100% give Blizzard money for that if it existed.

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After all the Outland badmouthing in this thread you guys have me wondering what it would take to restore my confidence in my forum friends smh :unamused:

It’s like I’m the only one here who RP walks from aldor rise to Telaar to enjoy lunches by myself in the extremely nice tavern they have there

https://i.imgur.com/82Yt1zP.jpg

And does nobody else put on their favorite mushroom tank top (zangar represent!!) and stroll around town emoting at your favorite broken npcs??

https://i.imgur.com/jUSbH48.jpg

And hey you will NEVER be lonely when you can hit up these extremely well-aged and still-funny pop culture references. Heck yeah I remember that cingular commercial!! Does cingular still exist?? I DON’T KNOW

https://i.imgur.com/WfbQ0nf.jpg

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