Like it or not, a cartoonishly evil Forsaken could not move forward with the franchise’s story. Nobody tolerates unapologetic villains just hanging around for that long. They could either change or die off, and the game mechanics won’t let them be removed. So you’re all just going to have to deal with it I guess.
Because Blizz turned her that way.
Like it or not, that character was way more popular and trying to replace her with a shoehorn was always gonna fail.
That’s a good question.
The reason why is that it forces Calia into an uncomfortable position and forces her to make a hard choice.
That’s why it has to be against an Alliance figure.
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We have a council, we dont need another monarch, especially a queen.
The problem of the undead’s inability to procreate is further exacerbated by the fact that the valkyr are all gone now.
Calia trying to figure out a way to bring back more undead, as not so pristinely alabaster skinned demigods, could be a good start to show she has some use to the forsaken beyond that of a fight breaking out between the two factions (which I believe faction conflict should always be relevant) and her having to smite some alliance to protect her people by demonstrating actual loyalty… the kind that matters because it’s tested.
It’s as if Horde/Forsaken players are RP’ing why they would distrust a convenient Blizz plant who was given the barest veneer of wanting to help them, from the light which literally made Paladins especially effective against UD in the first place.
It’s a pretty common trope to have someone show up and outwardly and effectively help the people they’re trying to infiltrate/manipulate. They just don’t usually come with so many overt connections to that which tried to destroy the people this individual is trying to help.
The “war’s over, we should be a family now” approach to WoW is hamfisted.
(Legion did somewhat okay in this, having Sylvanas/Varian give each other begrudging respect on the way into the Broken Shore. Cooperation, and ‘trust’ against personal conflicting emotions given years of bad blood.)
Ah I see you’re not a fan of the freshly repentant eredar that joined the draenei then.
I mean, you’d have to be, because they’re here to stay and those guys are guilty of millions of in-lore years of debased and horrific crimes against nature and their own people. Like, enslavement and destruction of whole worlds, they surely don’t get a pass because “we’re sorry…” right?
Good thing that whole race of beings wasn’t so cartoonishly evil it was downright goofy only to be undone by an apology right?
She could strike down waves of Scarlets and those threatening to harm the Forsaken, work to advise and aid the Horde as a whole in combating threats, but if they’re not wearing golden lions, it doesn’t count?
What if it’s an unsanctioned strike against the Forsaken by an Alliance agent, but denounced by the whole of the Alliance itself? Must she declare active war against the Alliance to become Forsaken?
I don’t think Calia is going to direct the Forsaken to try and raise more, especially since Undeath is not something any living thing wants to experience. Perhaps if there are those that pledge themselves before death to the Forsaken’s cause, but forcibly reanimating resting dead is a non-starter. Just like Gilneas’s official stance is to ‘starve the beast’ and to combat the Worgen Curse’s spread. Quarantine those affected and discourage with force of law any spread.
I’m sure some enterprising Forsaken could find some Valkyr to pick up the slack. I hear there is some in Stormheim or maybe they could bribe a time dragon.
Man so edgy in here…
Calia is fine. But if you don’t like her then pick one of the other desolate council members to boot lick.
Did you play their recruitment questline or the Draenei heritage?
They’re hardly being “given a pass”.
Also that’s completely irrelevant because none of you want Forsaken to be repentant, you want them to be evil and proud of it forever and with zero consequences for it.
It’s not just the evil Forsaken fans who want to spew plague everywhere who hate Calia. She fits literally none of their themes, and in the Gilneas questline, she was used solely to convince Genn that the Forsaken were good.
From life? Remember when she had Calia and forsaken killed because they didn’t do what she wanted?
Some of us want them to be evil.
I would argue most of us just want them to be self-centered, and adhere to that. That’s what they were at inception, and outside of the UC event after the Wrathgate…they haven’t had a compelling reason to change that.
Wrathgate was a pretty compelling reason to change that.
Calia is just one member of the council. The rest are typical forsaken archetypes. Even still have an undead elf ffs.
Yes, just because of Putress that for the longest time Blizz said acted alone, until they let Golden do her retcon.
You’re joking me.
They just ask for forgiveness and Velen decides to give them a go. Months later we have the heritage quest chain where they’re allowed to attend a holy ceremony of their people amidst all their kin that they weren’t just hunting down for millions of years trying to kill.
We give Death Knights passes for “We’ll do what the living cannot” as they corrupt red dragon eggs to give themselves a mount, we give eredar a pass for a freakin “but I’m sorry bro” after HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years of partaking in every sin under the sun.
I don’t want forsaken to be evil and proud, they just did their own thing and didn’t consider what they did to be evil - only necessary to getting revenge against those that wronged them, and there are still plenty of those people around despite what the co-faction habitation brigade may have you believe.
Wrathgate and UC event could be seen as the “come to Thrall” moment for Forsaken, but we saw with Sylvanas’ actions after LK death…she didn’t have that come-to-Thrall moment.
Her mission was accomplished, so she was done. (Until she found out that “Done” was worse.)
No opening up for the horde’s wider goals.