I agree with the rest except for this one, mainly because we see the devoted sethrak working together with both the zandalari and vulpera in the horde questing experience in vol’dun, even Nisha the most aggressive vulpera we’ve seen that’s always up for wrecking faithless say that it was an honor to fight alongside Vorrik and she hopes to do it again.
Not to mention sethrak NPCs appearing in Dazar’alor after the questing in the zone is done, and Sethraliss being saved by the Horde and later appearing in Dazar’alor for the coronation.
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What makes the sethrak a “savage” race, anyway?
I will have to disagree with Sethrak here. I dont believe they were ever an obvious choice for the Alliance, id argue that was just wishful thinking. Storywise it never made sense for them to join the Alliance and declare war on all the people that surround them on the isllated island of Zandalar.
Makes even less sense now because theyre cooperating with them more than ever, so if a war would break out theyd be doomed. Itd make more sense for them to join the same faction as their friendly neighbors.
Now do i think theyd be cool and unique on alliance? Yes. But i dont think it fits their story.
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Alliance sethrak only ever seemed like a reaction to vulpera since the latter were obviously based off of goblins as a base, and we hadn’t yet seen BFA reintroduce gilblins which would’ve been a more equivalent cheap ripoff like mechagnomes were.
You could replace that with nightborne and it would apply to nightborne/Alliance relationship. If Blizzard wants to make them Alliance, they will find a reason.
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It isn’t. The Alliance and Horde gave equal amounts of support to the Nightborne. They should have been a neutral race but Blizzard wanted the next expansion to be a faction war so Tyrande made a butt of herself at a critical moment for the Nightborne race and ended up turning them to the Horde.
Honestly, it’s not the worst thing in the world. The Blood Elves and Nightborne have clearly bonded since they joined up.
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Which is what we do as well to the Sethrak. Last I checked we have mirror quests.
In a theoretical future where Blizzard wants the Sethrak race on the Alliance they could simply do the same. Maybe have a haughty Talanji demand allegiance just simply because they are neighbours and she could wipe them out if she wanted.
Check again, because that isn’t what happened. The Alliance established a foothold in Vol’Dun but had no intention of fully involving themselves in what was going on. They do just enough to conveniently help Vorrik who somehow ended up getting poisoned again so that they have a reason to be allowed into the Faithful Sethrak’s stronghold.
They played no part in defeating Korthek, helping the Zandalari outcasts or offering any assistance to the Vulpera. That was all the Horde’s doing and while they do have access to the dungeon it’s likely noncanon in the same sense that the Horde didn’t actually defeat Gorak Tul in Waycrest Manor along with the Order of Embers. The Horde were the heroes of Voldun and the Alliance were the heroes of Drustvar. It’s as simple as that.
The Sethrak have a plethora of reasons to join the Horde and very little reason to join the Alliance. That is pure fan canon.
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Which again is the case with the nightborne.
Minus defeating Korthek I am not sure why the Sethrak would particularly care that you helped the Vulpera/Zandalari outcast.
This is not canon yet, if ever Blizzard were to decide to make Sethrak an Alliance race Blizzard could simply say both dungeons were canon Alliance.
No it isn’t. What part of EQUAL help are you not getting? The Alliance gave just as much support as the Horde did. In the end it came down to who was more receptive and the Blood Elves were far more sympathetic than the Night Elves(specifically Tyrande)who deemed the Nightborne as nothing more than mana addicts and were only interested in killing demons in the city.
I was speaking more towards the Horde generally having more of a helpful presence than the Alliance. Even still it doesn’t change the fact the Horde had a far greater impact on the Sethrak than the Alliance did.
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I think you’re mixing up Serrik and Vorrik here, the Alliance aids a captured and poisoned Vorrik, while the Horde aids a poisoned Serrik, but they also later save Vorrik that got captured again.
The Horde is the only faction with quests to go into the Temple of Sethraliss dungeon, if you discount faction neutral world quests. And the open world also change after the Horde player does so, making Devoted sethrak appear in dazar’alor and the Avatar of Sethraliss be present at the Terrace of the Devoted. It would be quite strange for blizzard to retcon the quests there and instead give it to the faction with zero quests for the dungeon.
I’ll break down what the factions did for the devoted sethrak below, it will be placed in a rough timeline order since several of the Horde quests are optional etc.
The Alliance save Vorrik from captivity and cure him from the poison. The soldier that first met Vorrik also helped him keep Vorrik’s keystone from faithless hands and kill some faithless sethrak. After this they part ways and we don’t actually have any more quests between the Alliance and the Devoted.
The Horde champion arrive with zandalari mates to vol’dun and meet the vulpera, they together find Serrik who is sick with poison and help him recover, then they head to some old ruins where the faithless are doing a huge excevation to find Sulthiz hidden keystone. They then slay a lot of the faithless, the faithless leader of the operation and recover the keystone.
Then they head to the terrace of the devoted, who is under attack again and has almost fallen into faithless hands, Vorrik has once again been captured and the Horde champion and allies push the faithless out and save Vorrik.
At this point Vorrik asks for help and the Horde champion do several tasks for him including:
Acquiring weapons to arm the devoted sethrak since they barely have anything
Rescuing a bunch of captive devoted.
Killing off faithless sethrak in several areas and prominent faithless sethrak.
Saving Vorrik’s personal mount pterrordax
Stealing back several artifacts from the faithless that’s holy to the Devoted.
Killing Korthek, the leader of the faithless and fighting side by side with the Horde champion and Nisha of the vulpera.
Mythrax rises since Korthek tricked Vorrik. And Mythrax then heads to Dazar’alor to beat up that seal
After this the Horde player is sent into the Temple of Sethraliss itself to see what’s going on, since her resurrection is long overdue. The Horde champions then do the dungeon and save Sethraliss, who appears at the Terrace of the Devoted permanently for Horde players that have done this quest. And sethrak NPCs appear in Dazar’alor.
We then hear nothing really from the Devoted sethrak at all.
Outside them playing a role in the Zandalari children’s week event, where we learn that the sethrak are friendly to the zandalari. And Vorrik get plenty mad at a follower of Jani for trying to steal the keystone, and he and the child are told off by Sethraliss.
Sethraliss is also then present at Talanji’s coronation as well as a sethrak priest that are with the other zandalari loa priests.
I suppose that it’s worth mentioning that before Sethraliss died way back, the sethrak and zandalari had a good relationship and worshipped her together. And there should even be sethrak alive from that time since at least Korthek and Vorrik are both from that time.
Either way, as you can see, the Horde did work more with the Devoted sethrak.
And for future possible stories we have to keep in mind that the Alliance currently have no presence at all on Zandalar, they had to give all their outposts and bases on Zandalar up in the treaty according to the book Shadows Rising. This is another point making future Alliance sethrak development unlikely.
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The quest to clear the dungeon and free the loa is a Horde campaign quest. That’s canon.
How? For the nightborne the Alliance and Horde both put in equal effort. With all of the quests being neutral, there is currently no differentiate in amount of effort.
For the sethrak, Alliance briefly helped out Vorrik whereas the Horde did…well everything listed above. There’s a clear difference in the amount of help given between the two sides.
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And Blizzard can simply not make that canon or focus on other things.
On the flip side, aren’t there several non-Faithless Sethrak have several quests where they antagonize the Zandalari? Again, all it would take is one wrong move from them to suddenly make Talanji go on the warpath/suddenly have the Sethrak go “yeah, we need new allies”.
This would be really out of character for Talanji. And no, I can’t think of any quests where non-Faithless Sethrak were aggressors against the Zandalari.
Blizzard can literally do anything at any time. If we’re going to use that to argue against established canon, then canon has no meaning or value. Blizzard could decided tomorrow Nightelves are joining the Horde if they were so inclined. That doesn’t mean Nightelves are a potential Horde race.
Edit: Also it’s not about Blizzard “making it canon”. It already IS canon. It’s a main storyline quest who’s completion is a prerequisite for other canon content occurring.
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Well this were the faithless sethrak, not the friendly devoted.
I doubt this, it sounds out of character of Talanji. And since the devoted have no ill intentions from what we’ve seen, and now with the return of Sethraliss that they’re essentially ruled by who dislike conflict, not to mention that Sethraliss are a loa of both Zandalari and Devoted and having their priests in Dazar’alor, so there’s quite a strong connection there.
Not to mention that the leader of the Zandalari military are one of the trolls that did the whole vol’dun thing and get to know the devoted. She might even be a believer of sethraliss now since the only loa we know she’s mentioned by name is well Sethraliss.
Sure they can, and they can make it canon that the church of holy light is actually a N’zoth plot to take control of the Alliance if they really wished. Thing is that you can’t really count on them to make stuff non-canon to support your own wishes/theories.
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I’m going with that is exactly what happened with the Nightborne. That they always had more in common with the Alliance then they ever did with the Horde, and yet due to gameplay/equality went to the Horde.
In a similarly vein it is precisely gameplay that would likely prevent the night elves(or any race) from leaving their faction.
I could have sworn there was but maybe I’m wrong. Regardless, sounds like another easy way to make them be Alliance, have a bunch of Faithless attack the Zandalari, and have them blame it on the devote and boom, instant Alliance race.
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The main problem of this is that since the Devoted is present in Dazar’alor they can actually speak for themselves, especially when Talanji can essentially pull a super “let me speak to your manager” to commune with the loa, in this case, Sethraliss. Who would probably be glad to punish any of her children for causing such needless violence.
It’s not really like they have no contact with the so-called “opposing” side
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Sounds easy enough, have the Faithless capture Sethraliss again, Talanji, not able to talk to her, considers her silence as guilt, the Devoted get the Alliance to save her and boom. Two birds, one stone.
The Devoted would have to sail across the sea for that since the Alliance is not present on Zandalar currently. VS telling the neighboring zandalari and vulpera that they already worked with.
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Really? I thought they were the exact same characters. It felt so odd for me to cure one poisoned snakeman and then do it again with another.