“It is possible” is the correct phrasing. He can’t, but it is possible for others to construct arguments without made-up data.
At least 90% huh? I’m sure you’ve got a source to back up that claim
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Ofc, I’m all for eliminating RMT and banning gold buyers, fix that and would like to see how GDKP goes.
It definitely won’t die but the pug community might suffer.
Player engagement mechanics might decline.
I don’t pug and I don’t care about the “wider community” so it doesn’t bother me.
you opinion. if anything gdkp is the friendliest type of raid for a casual player and guilds cater more towards the hardcore crowd.
GDKP would have never got off the ground without RMT.
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That’s problematic, and one glance at the Era servers AH should highlight exactly what the longterm ramifications are of everyone treating raids as a gold farm.
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Is it? Your options are gdkp or you just don’t raid at all when you have BIS. Maybe it’s a good thing that you can take a break and play something else when you’re done but…
When you stop looking at the issue in an isolated vacuum independent of critical context regarding their irrefutable dark underside, yes. The nominal convenience they provide to a few players stops outweighing the ripple effect they have on the entire game.
Get BiS for your Off-Spec then, what do you want me to tell you?
There’s nothing you can tell me. Banning GDKP will nerf player retention. That’s it. It’s just a thing that will happen. Later in the tier the pop will fall off harder and it is what it is.
And banning people spamming the hard R in Barrens chat will reduce the player subscriber count.
It is what it is.
Sure. The question is whether losing those players is good. Losing racists is good. Losing good players who enjoy raiding when there is a reward for it…? Harder to say for sure
Im honestly curious. Why do people play down the amount of players that participate in gdkps. Keep saying its a tiny amount or a small amount of the population. If it wasnt for the sheer number of people participating in them then this wouldnt be nearly as controversial as it is.
Citation needed.
Is inflation in the room with us? Can you point it out? Consumables have been the same price on sod the entire phase. In classic consumes had an extremely gentle uptick as more gold entered players hands throughout the phase releases. A major mana pot never cost 50g.
Are you mad that your parse brain needs to spend 100g on a BoE to do 2% more dps? Stay mad. They will always be outside the normal players budget and there’s nothing wrong with that.
It actually depends when on the timeline you’re looking at it within any particular version of the game.
It starts small, but then gets increasingly more and more commonplace as we get deeper into the phases.
Since Classic 2019 it’s in general become much more prominent of a practice, so a substantial portion of the player base partake in it now compared to the past, but the overall trend of starting off small early and then becoming big late remains.
That upwards trend in the frequency of GDKP groups in the deep phases has little or nothing to do with people “suddenly” realizing this is da very bestest loot distribution method, but because the raid they don’t need any more loot from is now THEE most lucrative gold farming method available to them.
Those who continue to run GDKPs out of some perceived notion of convenience, remain in the minority.
GDKP rewards all the players that partake in them.
The issue is RMT. Ban the gold buyers and enforce the TOS. It is literally that simple…
GDKP earning you 5g instead of 50g is still 5g more than you’re getting from a traditional raid.
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Not saying that this isn’t true. FWIW, I do hope that RMT is reduced/removed, and I’m still somewhat hopeful for some positive results to come from a GDKP ban in SoD.
Having said that, it is not too large a stretch of the imagination to see that people who don’t spend excessively and attend GDKPs can acquire large amounts of gold, even if all of that gold is 100% legitimate.
There are GDKP runs that have smaller or bigger min bids and increments. Generally speaking, going to GDKP runs with larger min bids, larger increments, and more gold spend expectations will typically result in larger pots.
Given time, even if there is a 100% RMT free environment, some people will have large amounts of gold. This will no doubt be true regardless of whether GDKP exists or not.
What I suspect you are trying to point to as being a clear, obvious thing is that people who spend their real money on gold and do not attach much value to it, spend it on items and just buy more gold will no longer be doing that, if they are unable to use it to buy items. And perhaps that is true.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Made up fact. I would posit the percentage of bought gold traded in a GDKP is about the same as on the AH.
If sellers are banned and inflation is reduced, that will match the reduced pots, no problem. A lot of pro-gdkp players actively support the perma banning of all gold buyers and sellers.
The point of GDKP is also to get items sometimes - low bid runs are great to pickup stuff in. Whoever wants the item the most will bid the most.
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GDKP is a form of DKP - but instead of having bob manage the spreadsheet and create weird point systems that benefit the in-group, it uses the ingame gold system and everyone on the server is playing with the same system so you can take your points to any raid, use on the AH, repair with, pass to an alt, etc.
So you don’t use the AH right? That would make you complicit in RMT.