Hello,
I have leveled a DK and i 'm very tempted to play dps “casually” during the next patch.
I don’t want to learn both specs, so I was wondering if they are both viable in raids/m+ or there’s a clear winner here.
thanks
Hello,
I have leveled a DK and i 'm very tempted to play dps “casually” during the next patch.
I don’t want to learn both specs, so I was wondering if they are both viable in raids/m+ or there’s a clear winner here.
thanks
Current standings will change in the next patch. Nobody can give you an answer on the next patches balance, because it literally doesn’t exist yet.
But right now it is pretty even between UH and Frost in M+. and in the raid UH pulls ahead but not by a large margin. If someones wanting a DK I’m sure they’ll take either a Frost or an UH, opposed to say Mage where someone could specifically not want Arcane.
Both very viable. Currently, frost (2h oblit) performs best in m+. In raid it’s a toss up depending on the boss.
Unholy is probably one of (if not the most) disgusting spec in the whole game. I only play it because it’s much better then frost at pretty much everything.
Frost on the other hand is a simple but fun spec, that could use a small rework, but should keep its basic rotation because it’s good. The problem is that it’s WEAK. When you’re not using your CDs to explode things, you hit like a healer, it’s pathetic. Every now and then we get some buffs, and we can keep up with Unholy for 1 or 2 patches, but then things eventually go back to normal, and Frost gets worse again (happened pretty much 90% of the specs life).
Having said that about Frost, I still rather play it than Unholy, because, as other people have mentioned before, the spec is a complete mess. Almost 10 small CDs to keep track of, and to do decent dmg you have to watch and time all of them. THE SPEC IS A JOKE AND FAKE.
Those numbers you see in warcraftlogs are all fake, because those numbers are pulled by hardcore closed groups that will stack 3, 4, 5 pulls at once, and then, by using all CDs at once, Unholy does insane dmg. Same in raid scenarios, where guilds stack Dps and blow the bosses in a couple of minutes, and Army will simply destroy when combined with other CDs.
Now, go and try to do that yourself. You won’t do it. It’s literally impossible for a NORMAL person to out dps pretty much anyone in a NORMAL setting (progression).
I’ve stuck with DK since Lich King, but I finally took the courage to abandon everything, achieves, mounts, mogs, etc, and will play Pally, because simply, I’m tired of living a lie and playing a fake spec (unholy) while the other good choice is ALWAYS simply too weak.
Logged in just to say you nailed this right on the head!! Unholy is so frustrating for even decent Ayers in m+ for many different reasons. The 2 set should fix our smaller pulls.
Both unholy and frost have their issues, and if im being honest, dk is one of the most unfriendly classes to play for new players both pvp and pve.
The class as a whole suffers from extreme feast/famine playstyle, where you do amazing dps in cd windows, but are a wet noodle the other 80% of the time.
Dk works well with coordinated pulls, where with our burst windows can lay an extreme beatdown, but in a general raid or m+, the tanks arent doing huge pulls, which means our damage is substantially lower.
Theyve addressed this next patch (with unholy so far) and while its progress, uhdk still has the most dps cds of any spec, and to successfully dps, you have to use them in wierd rotation or its a bust. Thus why theyre not newbie friendly. I love dk, and i love the idea of undead minion spec, but over the years blizz has made DK a nightmare. Most classes you monitor 2 things- cd and buff or dot. Dk you monitor runes, runic power, short term buffs, dots, burst cooldowns (dont want to blow thm out of order or youre garbo) and the cherry on top is to monitor wounds/bursting them. Its also now the only dps melee where your entire aoe damage profile is limited to using death and decay.
Darn. As i write an honest review, i really just realized how much we do need a rework lol.
I think you can pug and still have decent parses and be in the 90-95th%. As frost this raid tier I don’t think I was ever really out dpsd by “normal” people in my raids and we pug 80% of the raid group.
You also called frost weak like 10 times in that post, while I honestly think they are just not as easy as everyone thinks it is. 2h log comparison between for you and I.
I have like 6-7 people that we always play together and pug the rest, it doesn’t need to be a completely loaded group.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/stormrage/nesc%c3%a1u#difficulty=4
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/Nerfed#difficulty=4
The game is definitely playable at a competitive level without having to bend and break the game like the .1% does. (At least for frost).
–Frost really is not in a bad place number wise, its not “SO WEAK” like you say, its just not as easy as everyone seems to say it is. 4-5 buffs to manage, when to spend cooldowns is huge (fight knowledge) and may be the spec that most benefits and is impacted by uptime/positional awareness.
It could use QoL and where the damage comes from needs to be adjusted a bit but its pretty solid at the moment statistically.
Damn, I’m trying UH in Mythic+ and the number of CDs is insane.
I will try to learn it before 10.2 and then decide.
Hope you’re enjoying it! It does look as if UH will be more viable in m+ for 10.2 than it is currently, thanks to the buffs to magus/apoc.
My guild’s best/most consistent player is a frost dk. I think people need to stop looking for FOTM and llay something you actually enjoy/compliments your playstyle. You’re not going to have fun seeing a big number on the meter if the gameplay is dull
I’m trying frost with 2h obliterate build… I’m finding it more fun in mythic+ so far.
Honestly with UH it’s annoying then the tank is pulling slowly and you don’t get a good return on your CDs.
Lets be honest? DK is a stressing class for either (pve and pvp), u rarelly will be invited to m+ and ur paper it pvp. So just choose dh if u want a melee