wow or bust is such an ignorent statement when ffxiv is doing better then just surviving its thriving and giving wow an actul run for its money as top mmo. you dont have to like it fine thats an opinion but comments like this are cringy
Sorry yes, I was speaking only for my personal tastes. I was not taking a stand or trying to advocate for what others should do… for ME its wow or bust.
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a pinch of honesty on this forums there is hope yet
Well I guess i’m a toxic player cause i love world of warcraft and the horde alongside the lore as a fanboy. I don’t boost or smurf, i dont harrass devs. I don’t even know how to cheat. I only teabag players who are douchy and talk smack. Havent really filed false reports to people who beat me but will file the smallest report of teammates if theres any chance disciplinary action will be taken.
I don’t really grief. I rarely ever send post match messages. You really had to annoy me with taunts and emotes for me to go that far. I only quit if majority of my team aren’t trying and refuse to take any sort of strategic advice given by anyone in the group who is trying. Well i will admit to mistakes i made but i dont make many.
And oh boy do i love talking down teammates who absolutely dont try and have a mouth on them. I don’t regret these things one bit.
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the problem though, is that “Toxic” is subjective.
what one person thinks is a harmless prank (for example: mage portals on feasts in BGs), another thinks is toxic behavior. .
Healer leaves a key because he perceived the tank was being toxic to him, the key owner sees the healer who left as the toxic one.
one guy might think the dude getting frustrated at the guy who doesn’t know a m+10 fight is toxic.
but the guy getting frustrated thinks the guy who didn’t put any effort into learning the fight and ruined the key for everyone else in the group is the toxic one.
It’s all a matter of perspective.
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Perhaps contrary to popular belief, there have always been a smattering of toxic players in WoW. There was a plague of griefers, gold farmers, loot ninjas and just generally bad folks in early WoW - there was so much drama! (which I strangely sort of miss 
). It very much helped to be in a guild at that time. But even guildies were getting kicked out on a regular basis, usually over loot or guild bank stuff, or some stupid argument during a raid, etc.
To be honest, I don’t encounter that many truly “toxic” players these days, not like early WoW. It seems the way the game has evolved might have weeded them out. There does seem to be a fair number of sociopaths left, however. Not toxic though, just varying degrees of odd.
Well, I enjoy World of Warcraft. Sure hope that doesn’t define me as “toxic.”
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I’m a fangirl. And let me add that everything can be taken to extreme, case in point, what is on the list. Called Extremest lol
Labeling other players who say things you don’t like as being toxic is pretty toxic.
“Teabag” I dunno about because sometimes it’s funny.
Have no idea what “boost” or “smurf” are.
Otherwise, sounds legit.
I would add one key description:
You support punishment / “no rewards” for those who do not play the game the way you think it should be played.
People who think it’s funny to be rude to/make fun of or mock others who are new/not doing so well.
It can be really off putting to new players, and that behaviour alone gave other mmo players the impression that the WoW community is toxic.
T-bagging isn’t toxic. I started online gaming on the original Xbox with halo, so I’ve been around for its origins, and people still do it online today, with halo Pc.
I just laugh it off, and continue playing the game, shocking I know.
If you let something that little and small bother you, I really wouldn’t want to be in a group with you.
To me a good non toxic player will brush things off and not belittle someone, always help others improve or help them out if they’re struggling, someone whose just themselves and loving or at least respects everyone.
I grew up playing fighting games as well, so I have probably been apart of the most toxic communities so far, and I can tell you wow is very very far from a toxic community. Try asking for help with street fighter some time.
To me if I were to define toxicity within the context of WoW, I’d say someone who bad mouths someone or gives the last word and then puts that person on ignore or logs out. Its the most cowardly thing to do imo, and they refuse to work out issues or meet in the middle on disagreements.
Those people I don’t bother with, if someone is creating drama or belittling others around me, or myself and aren’t willing to stop, or work out the issue, that’s a instant remove.
I’m not saying I’m perfect, but that’s the community I grew up being in and all my friends are like that as well. We don’t want drama.
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retail players
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LOL judging from the thread a lot of you wouldn’t last 2 seconds in a MW2 lobby
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1 - agreed
2 - agreed
3 - disagree sometimes those people leaving is best thing to happen and sometimes it’s literally just not worth what time you have to sit in a losing match
4 - agreed
5 -disagree griefing is part of MMOs especially getting camped and farmed is part of experience that you can opt out of via WM
6 - agreed
7 - disagree, trash talk/show boating is part of competition in general gaming or otherwise there is a reason people watch those pre-match shows in boxing/mma
8 - agreed
9 - agreed *though criticism isn’t harassment.
10 - disagree there is nothing wrong with being a fanboy of anything, just don’t be a jerk because your a fanboy
11 - disagree again part of online gaming in general and really doesn’t effect other, boosting especially, smurfing… in wow’s case I suppose twinking is just another play style choice too where you decide to manually level cap yourself, in other games yeah it’s a little dirty.
I think people often call behavior harmless when it doesn’t affect them, chiefly because they are the ones inflicting it on others. Dishing it out is always fun.
Handing out deserter debuffs, falling deaths, repair costs AND the opportunity to soak in the anger of others while tossing barbs from the luxury of their instance does not seem to require much study of the context to locate the toxic one.
Indeed most of these behaviors seem to consist of one person misbehaving at the expense of someone else. It isn’t Atlantean algebra to figure out who is contributing to a toxic environment in that equation.
PUGM+ is just a boiling cesspool of diva-driven toxicity. So it is fully understandable that someone might want to minimize that.
Even though I have never been a proponent of segregation tools, if someone going left instead of right is going to make you have a rage-typing onesie-chewing soft-spot conniption, then yeah, you need to limit your company.
And if someone decides a deserter debuff is worth getting away from that Chernobylkin, well I don’t think anyone is going to mistake THEM for the toxic one.
We might have to agree to disagree about it, but I think it is very seldom a matter of perspective.
sure it is.
I think the guy who comes to a +15 and plays like garbage (ie…does 40k dps, no interrupts, doesn’t know the routes, etc…) causing the key to deplete, is far more toxic than the guy who gets mad at him.
you see it differently.
perspective.
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Any rude person.
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People who are passive aggressive. Either say it as it is, or don’t say it at all.