Been seeing a lot of people talking about how bad the need/greed thing has gotten.
I have had some pretty bad luck with that myself, people rolling on stuff that they clearly just don’t need.
Its whatever I guess, bad rolls…but there comes a point where you lose every single roll for weeks on end to people who are fare more geared than you…and then to see them rolling need on like a mace for their off spec…like bro, im in here with my main spec trying to get main spec gear, why take?
Because then people say they don’t want to carry…
So let people get more gear and you won’t have to carry so often?
But I contributed…And so did the guy who lost and did less damage than everybody else because they also can’t get gear. So you have to carry them. And take the gear because you feel entitled to it?
I just can’t understand why people need everything. Isn’t the whole point of the loot rolls to be able to get gear to the people who need it as opposed to just want it for a whopping 1% increase?
What about that wee baby druid who’s been at it for three weeks trying to get shoulders and still no luck…only to watch them lose the loot roll to another druid who had the same exact item, just like 5 ilvl lower… Meanwhile the first druid would have had like a 85% increase…
Isn’t it supposed to be more based off your ilvl or something? I don’t know, but its confusing.
I assume you mean in LFR, in which case, along with people who only pugs, I will never see you again, so what do I care if you progress your character. That won’t stop the carrying one bit because next time, you won’t be in my group. It will just be another 24 random players that I will never see again.
It’s not that way at the moment. If it’s on your loot table, you can roll need. If it’s only on your offspec loot table, though, it is classified as an offspec roll. If their loot spec is set to another spec than the one that they are playing, they will be able to main spec roll on that offspec loot in exchange for only being able to offspec roll on loot that is on their main spec’s and not offspec’s loot table.
Has to be. Or LFR. Nobody worth a damn in a weekly raid group will greedily get a low upgrade item over someone that needs it more. It’s just bad for overall group progression.
Part of the problem is that it used to be the case where you could go into a raid one expansion before and just solo them. I could easily solo all WoD raids on Mythic in late legion for example. However, nowadays, you can’t solo all of even 2 expansions before because their level squish changed the formula for legacy scaling modifiers into a mess. So people think that if they don’t get the LFR transmog, they won’t be getting it for years, unless they form groups that take an hour to fill and have the same drop rate anyway, so might as well just roll need now.
I just made a similar post and people there can’t read either.
Needing is needing.
Greeding is greeding.
Transmog rolls are transmog rolls.
Nobody should be able to take player power progression away from you just for their transmog.
People have been reporting that crap since Vanilla, so not sure why it’s suddenly okay.
so you don’t know. Good job contributing nothing.
from experience, that’s not true at all.
I have 13 characters and only the ones with high io score can get invited or start their own group.
You can sit there with your precious anecdotes about “well my friend did it so you should be able to as well”
Logically, yes.
But these arent’ logical people running the groups nor joining them.
HIGH M+ SCORE OR NO JOIN/INVITE.
You might get lucky after a couple of hours, but frankly thats not really a better way to gear or get appearances.
AGain, you can sit there with your anecdotes aboiut how grouping is the solution to everything, but I can give you at least 10 different anecdotes from all of my characters that would shock you with how dumb people can be about greed.
I am sorry to the rest of you, but if I don’t need something I don’t roll need.
I don’t care how cool it is, if I can’t use it I don’t need it.
You have the whole expansion to get that transmog…
meanwhile other players only have the now to get stuff they can actually use…
But as with my post, nobody will see reason.
They just want their cool helms and they don’t give a flying crap about you or anything you want, think, feel, say or do…unless you rolled on THEIR piece of gear that THEY needed…THEN SUDDENLY THE WAR STARTS IN CHAT…
meanwhile they just basically ninjaed all the loot because it was labeled as a .05% upgrade so they can roll need on it.
The irony is that you think your side is morally correct. That your want, and yes, even an upgrade is still a want if you want to get right down to the philosophical nuts and bolts…
Just because you feel strongly doesn’t mean other people’s purpose for participation arent as equally valid.
You’re so convinced you’re right that the possibility of being wrong or at least biased doesn’t enter your head.
You’re gonna work yourself up into a frothing mess
If I actually needed something and rolled need on it I would never win it. But if I don’t need it and roll need I win it half the time. I don’t know what it is but I highly suspect it’s a programmed feature.
I agree, but no need to be so mean. AGain, I agree with the sentiment, but maybe we could use other words…like sub-par contributor.
I have like five and I have trouble with all of them except my priest. She seems to just get in. Maybe because Disc spec?
well, thats true of every level of content though.
No arena rank? no invite lol.
I get what you mean though. People are waaaay too picky about who they do or don’t invite. I try to start groups but nobody joins.
If I could get a consistent group going, that would be cool.
Unfortunately, nobody can ever seem to actually commit to m+ groups.
And going to the forums tends to get you a response within 2-3 business weeks if anybody ever saw your post in the first place lol.
Its not about morals. You thinking that says a lot about hwo little you read what was said my dude.
Its not about morals, its about being logical and kind to the other people you play with. They aren’t bots, they need gear too. You rolling need just to sell it? Naw.
Unacceptable, especially since it’s half the rolls at thsi point.
Didn’t say that.
But greed comes after need.
Needing it for transmog isnt the same as rolling by clicking the transmog button.
You need crafting mats? That’s on you. It’s not up to other people to have to sacrifice their chance at getting a genuine item they actually need, just so you can have a different colour of the same shoulders you already have.
There isnt really something to be wrong about? Needing loot when you need it, should take priority over selling or transmog or enchanting.
And no, in the context of this game, an upgrade is a need.
If you never upgraded your gear, you would still be rocking questing greens and never get anywhwere.
And if I had to wait around for everybody to stop rolling NEED when they really mean TRANSMOG…id probably die before that every happened.
I think people are advocating to stop letting people abuse the need roll.
Nah, man. there are three threads on the main page not including this one. There is a wealth of information on both sides about why they do what they do and why they think what they think.
Of course they understand. They just want to make another topic. Which I guess is fine. But let’s not pretend like we don’t get it at this point.
stop being intentionally ignorant. Willful ignorance isnt funny or cute or even acceptable human behaviour.
Needing on loot you need is always more important than somebody’s transmog.
ITs been like that since transmog was a thing.
And only the scummiest of the scumy loot ninjas support what you claim.
Factually, player power is more important that your silly transmog.
If you disagree with needing loot you actually need, cool.
But that just makes you a loser like the rest.
Or, maybe you can see the real problem and offer suggestions on how to stop it from happening?
But instead, all you did was come in here and be overly aggressive to a stranger.
Your first comment was literally just a verbal attack.
But now that I say somethign, you will likely try and backtrack and pretend you did nothing wrong, like most trolls.
So ill save you the stress. Here is your first response to OP.
So instead of answering the question like some…or even just not responding at all like the majority…you chose the worse option and went with an outright insult.
But sure.
You are just soo nice and agreeable.
