What is the average iLvl Requirement for Heroic Amirdrassil?

I’m asking because I’m currently in a guild asking for a minimum iLv470 to run Heroic Amir.

When the raid gives iLv 476 gear and Normal gives iLv 463.

The implication is that you’re basically asking for your Raid team to contain people who have already run Amirdrassil Heroic, or higher, due to that iLv. Or, Mythic Keys high enough to match 476.

What’s the logic behind this? What’s the point of running a raid for gear that’s scarcely an improvement upon what you’re already wearing?

This, I think, is a huge example of why I believe the community is to blame for Not being Newcomer-Friendly.

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Just means it’s time to find a new guild.

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This far into the the season they’re probably just looking for fast reclears and not looking to reprogress fights for peoples undergeared toons. Why let people bring 460s when you could clear the entire raid in an hour with a 475-480 group.

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So they’re not looking for upbringing new raiders, who might progress to become well-geared and well-playing; they’re looking for carries. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

No I get it. Fast reclears is one thing. They should advertise for that then, looking for people who have already done the content they’re doing and have received enough gear to meet that minimum iLv.

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i agree that 470 is steep; my old aotc guild that im still in contact with requires 460 which is more reasonable imo. you can comfortably do heroic sub-450 ilvl but you probably wouldnt want your entire roster to be that ilvl

but it is worth noting that fully upgraded champ gear is 476 and fully upgraded vet is 463, so it is possible to hit 470 without doing heroic (and thats not including crafted or m+ gear)

edit: the guild i cited as an example bumped up the requirement midway thru heroic prog, it was originally 450, i also know they check with their members before setting requirements

I think the mentality is that you could maybe get the ilvl from running M+? Maybe? And upgrade via that to get to their 760 requirement, you also get 2x 476 crafting items from doing the Emerald Dream main story quest to completion.

I have a DH alt that never stepped foot in Heroic and is 466 from normal runs. My Warrior alt was 476 after joining our guild’s heroic runs in 3 weeks~. I don’t run M+ on either toon.

Bringing an undergeared toon to a raid is an investment, sometimes guilds want you to invest in them by running M+. Some guilds just want to be carried. You can usually tell which it is by the attitudes in the guild. Not really a wrong or right answer here I think.

I think my guild has made a pretty good compromise, as long as we are one shorting the bosses anyone can come along. If we start running into issues - for example on heroic Smolderon, we ask people to step out for that boss only then reinvite. The fact is if you got a group of 4 or 5 high dps you can do a lot of carrying.

That said, while first progressing on bosses there is no issue asking people to meet a certain gearing threshold.