You know what I’m talking about.
Kyrian Sub Rogues who are lower geared can kidney shot and hit 2 buttons and kill you through your defensives. As Mistweaver, I’ll have Fortifying Brew and/or Life Cocoon up, and It’ll still take me to 20% HP before the Kidney Shot stun is over. If the Rogue IS comparably geared, then I’m guaranteed dead.
The cooldown on the ability is such that they can 2-3 shot someone and vanish, and melt someone new before you get back to your body in WPVP. If you do survive thanks to defensives, the rogue’s Kyrian ability is ready before your defensives are, and they just repeat it on a now ostensibly defenseless target.
I’ve personally considered what it would mean to raise the power of others to match it and I don’t really think that’s the answer either. Not in this situation. Then it’s just everyone wrecking everyone super fast and there’s no fighting, no meaningful decisions. Just Call of Duty: Modern WoWFare.
If I’m being unreasonable here, let me know, but man… it sure doesn’t seem like it from this side of the table.
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That’s good advice, but doesn’t solve the problem unfortunately. Trinketing the first KS might get you out of it, but the trinket Cooldown is far longer than the ability. A vanish here, another KS there, and you’re dead. The problem is the burst window and damage scale, IMHO.
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this was DH all of BFA so dont be surprised if Blizz never fixes them they dont care about pvp
idk but sub right now is the most broken spec in the history of arena. I’m seeing 1600 rogues hang with glads at 1800 right now ROFL. Blizz fail yet again with pvp balance /sigh. Nothing more to say.
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I do know what you’re talking about, but after doing 3s yesterday trying to climb a bit for next week’s vault, I’m convinced it’s not only rogues who can do retarded crap like what you’re explaining.
Retribution Paladins and Marksmen Hunters are just as broken.
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Not sure what rating you are at, but sub is way worse than marks or rets. Marks and rets hit hard, I think rets can off heal for WAY too much, but sub at higher ratings has no counter right now…
Mark’s got nerfed because openers from stealth with double tap was OP.
sub needs a similar treatment. either nerf the legendary in pvp to like 30% crit or nerf shadowstrike.
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Blizzard favors rogues more than any class in the game nothing new
take a look at recent nerfs
Marksman and ret got nerfs {actual decent 1s}
Sub got a slap on the wrist if you can even call it that at all and most rogues are saying they barely notice it
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Appreciate your replies. It’s a real pain. I was on Brewmaster yesterday and got jumped. Saw the stealth, so I threw on Fortifying Brew. Rogue jumped me and I was down to 20% HP in the 1.2 seconds it took me to trinket out of the stun. I used all my Cooldowns and managed to fight him off. He returns from the graveyard run in 5 seconds, repeats the opener, and I’m gone.
It seems strange to me that a DPS can one shot, or two shot a tank.
I’m really disappointed in the way PVP balancing has been approached. You’d think it would be holistic and thoughtful, with an eye on tuning and some steps towards progress. But … things like this; things that glare so brightly yet are left mostly untouched, astonish me.
Rogues are very overtuned right now. You can try to watch for their shadow dance and cc then during it, which negates a lot of their follow up burst after the initial opener as it is pretty short. Shadow blades is their main one shot cool down but if you can negate the SB+SD window you get a lot more breathing room.
Trinketing the opener stun to pop defensives and cc them is important. You might think “oh they can just vanish reset and kidney again” but that next kidney burst will do half as much damage as Shadow blades is 3 mins. Shadow dance symbols cold blood reprimand is still very powerful but without SBlades your chances of living are much higher
Ret damage is still pretty ridiculous, boomkin starsurge is similarly ridiculous too. Arms and spriest are going to be cancerous in the 3s meta too.
Might be biased because MM is really easy to counter as a nelf hunter but of all the offenders I’d 100% prefer to fight MM. Post-nerf aimed shot hits about the same as a sub shadowstrike lol
@metarune, sadly i feel like in a 1v1 situation a sub rogue can literally cloak evasion and kill a DK through every single defensive unless the DK already has a full RP bar for deathcoil healing
yep… I leveled hunter and rouge last as they were my lowest chears. Once i switched my hunter from BM to MARKS for a single bg quest i knew it was going to be an issue. With sub rogue, the exact same. Blizzard will not fix a broken class until the next expnasion. I’ll even leave a history of broken classes this has happened with.
Burning Crusade: SL locks could damn near kill anything, didn’t get tuned properly till WOTLK
WOTLK: DK’S and rets broken so much so that DK’S would get an all CAPS when you entered the arena with DBM no other class had this. Anyone who played wotlk knew how busted dk’s and rets were. Mages had 2 specs nerfed instantly actually 3, with the excuse of jaw-dropping damage and being to powerful despite arcane being fine and getting nerfed at the start of WOTLK then fire later on during ULDUAR, and arcane again during naxx. Rets and DK’s didn’t get a nerf until cata
Cataclysm: prot wars and disc priest…
Mop : Prot wars and priest were tweaked. Monks ran this xpac
WOD : Monks took some minor nerfs prot wars were dragged down some, DK’S pushed back to their WOTLK op state
Legion : DH…
BFA: DH…
SL: Rogue and Hunter with Priest
Every xpac we heard it would be fixed by whatever max level, and various things. None of which ever happened.
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Star surge is only a problem when it’s cast by Convoke the Spirits. But yes, Boomkin is just as insane. Feral and Boomkin are pretty insane with their damage but more so Boomkin.
Arms Warrior is okay if they aren’t Kyrian with their Spear ability. Insane that I can’t teleport out of it with Door of Shadows, it just keeps me in place.
Shadow priest can be deadly, just gotta watch those Mindgames.
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Yeah those seem pretty accurate. Part of me just doesn’t understand the entire ideology. SURELY they know what they’re doing. They know that some classes are always broken like this in every expansion.
So the question becomes… why? Why is this a thing? Is it to give people that sense of being epic for a little while? It’s gotta be some psychological strategy… it can’t … just be … incompetence.
Can it?
Well guys, it looks like at the final hour, Blizzard answered the call. Kyrian Sub is going to lose their 1-shot. They’ll still hit pretty hard I think, but not insane, and that means it should start to be a good fight in PVP.
Boomkin also getting a similar treatment.
I can’t imagine sub rogues with Prot Pallys right now, although as a warrior prot pallys are amazing to run with for arenas
Yeah that’s the reason I switched to WW and I die less fast, which makes no sense cause I tank is supposed to survive damage like that
Agreed. Also your name 
. I am seriously thinking of renaming my Spriest Cnnnews and we can 2s and tigger everyone. All while going by the team name of Msm.
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